chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

[ginormous]

I've heard that the current model Classic 50 is too "tight", and isn't "warm" enough for the traditional 5D6 sound, but I'm dancing with the girl I brought to the party.
I want to start with the speakers... they won't blow out my budget as much as being a tube cork-sniffer.

What are some recommendations for the 'broken-in', 1950s sound?

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Ive always had a soft spot for the low power square magnet Jensens like the Jensen P10R... they even make a version that is suppose to sound more broken in right out of the box though I have never tried these.

Heres a linky for you http://www.jensentone.com/vintage_alnico/p10r_f

 

[Aceman]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

You have HEARD this?


Or are you experiencing this?

 

[jeremy]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

what ya playin thru it reg? and you really chasing the 5d6 tone? thats a pretty rare and sweet amp but the peavey is pretty far off that. the 5d6 had two 5y3 rectos, two 6l6G (not gc), two 12ax7, one 12ay7 and just treble, bass and presence with two volumes. so very simple circuit and relatively low voltages

 

[ginormous]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Ace, there is a little buttoned-down feeling, like the senior executive that can't loosen up enough to party.

I'm playing the Agile AL-3200 (singlecut dual humbucker), through a Boss ME-70 multi-effect board.

 

[zzmoore]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

You have HEARD this?


Or are you experiencing this?

It is hard to beat this question.
Just make sure YOU hear it.
DO NOT be afraid to say you dig the "crappy" Blue Marvel speakers that PV use in their amps.
FWIW.....I think it is real hard to go wrong with a combo of Eminence Governor/Wizard in a guitar amp.
For anything from Jazz to Blues-Rock. Those 2 speakers are a very nice pairing.
good luck

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

4 tens huh?

Swap two for cannabis rex

I love mismatched speakers

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[Gearjoneser]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

To be honest, I've had a Peavey Classic 50 410 amp, and it doesn't really need anything but fresh tubes.

I know we all want to chase the best tones down, but the stock amp doesn't lack much. You may want to find something like two Celestion or Eminence 10's, and mix them with the stock speakers, and put JJ EL-84's in it, but that's about all you'll need in that amp. It's clean channel can hang with the best of high dollar amps.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

a Boss ME-70 multi-effect board like the senior executive that can't loosen up enough to party.

kill it with fire

and then get your hands on some eminence lil buddys.
or if you are lucky see if you can find a used set of "eminence blue frame" speakers. They are the fat sounding ones that fender used in the tweed bassmans in the 90s before they decided that having "jensen" written on the speakers would sell more units than having good sounding speakers.

 

[Aceman]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

I'm playing the Agile AL-3200 (singlecut dual humbucker), through a Boss ME-70 multi-effect board.

oh…I see the problem now.

kill it with fire

I am so on board with this program. And I'm a guy who thinks an RP350 can be programmed for decent stage sounds.

Honestly, I'm not sure what tone you are NOT getting out of the amp. I get the "slightly tight it-just-needs-something" vibe. But honestly, go get a choice guitar, or one with righteous pups, and try that direct first.

I could do 47 different flavors of Blues straight to that amp and not feel bad period. And I'd slap a TS-9 (or whatever) in front before I ever went to speaker swaps.

That said - a killer set of tubes all biased and whatnot, with a killer mix of 2 pairs of complimentary speakers….oh hell yes. But let's be sure that's the problem, and not just a fun solution!

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

A Peavey 410 Classic 50 does NOT sound like a Tweed Bassman. Can't and never will. That's not to say that it can't sound good doing it's own thing, but it is NOT a Tweed Bassman.

At one time in his early days, Hartley did make a Bassman clone. They are pretty rare, I'd imagine.

Bill

 

[Aceman]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

An old 70's Classic 4 10 is what you are talking about Bill. I have seen and played one before. Those are freaking cool amps!

 

[ginormous]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Before everybody gets on the hate train about my gear, I'd like to point out that

• my Agile was a gift from my wife,
• the Peavey was also, and
• the Boss multi-FX was also a gift, from none other than our beloved Stratman.

Hence, the "dancing with the girl I brought to the party".

The Agile sounds like gold through my Fender single 12.
The Fender is a solid state, but it's actually killer since I swapped the stock Fender speaker for a Celestion white label G12M-70 my buddy pulled from his cab.

My first idea was to lose the stock pickups, and I broke the piggy bank on a set of SD Vintage Blues a few weeks ago.
Things are tight here at home, so I can't make too many moves like this, so close to the holidays.

I'll get to back to you with the pup and speaker results.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

I'm not hating on your Axe or your amp. It just seems like a shame that you have to constrict all the bluesy goodness you could get by running it thru the fx unit. All that circuitry inside detracts from the subtlety and touch sensitivity that is the most human and interesting part of playing the blues guitar.I'm sure stratman would understand if you plugged straight in for a while. Keep dancing with the same girl, but I reckon you can have a lot more fun if you remove that dress.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

I'm not hating on your Axe or your amp. It just seems like a shame that you have to constrict all the bluesy goodness you could get by running it thru the fx unit. All that circuitry inside detracts from the subtlety and touch sensitivity that is the most human and interesting part of playing the blues guitar.I'm sure stratman would understand if you plugged straight in for a while. Keep dancing with the same girl, but I reckon you can have a lot more fun if you remove that dress.

Plus one on that
My Laney likes pedals
But sounds best when it's just got a guitar cable straight in

Does the peavey have an effects loop?


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[ginormous]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Does the peavey have an effects loop?

Yes, as well as master volume, pre- and post-gain, and clean/lead channels with switching.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Yes, as well as master volume, pre- and post-gain, and clean/lead channels with switching.

well then I would just plug in, turn up and play it hard

if it sounds stiff your not playing loud enough (not enough gain)

 

[IM4Tone]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

I'm not hating on your Axe or your amp. It just seems like a shame that you have to constrict all the bluesy goodness you could get by running it thru the fx unit. All that circuitry inside detracts from the subtlety and touch sensitivity that is the most human and interesting part of playing the blues guitar.I'm sure stratman would understand if you plugged straight in for a while. Keep dancing with the same girl, but I reckon you can have a lot more fun if you remove that dress.

well then I would just plug in, turn up and play it hard...............

:bigthumb: I must agree. Maybe a choice individual pedal, but I've not found any multi-FX units to be an answer for me. They're just OK (so-so) IMO.

 

[Bludave]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

Ace, there is a little buttoned-down feeling, like the senior executive that can't loosen up enough to party.

I'm playing the Agile AL-3200 (singlecut dual humbucker), through a Boss ME-70 multi-effect board.

With all due respects Reggie. Get rid of that multi effects board. Those generally suck a lot of tone. If you really want to hear what the amp is doing plug straight in & then you can go from there. I recently played with a guy who had a beautiful Les Paul plugged into a Marshall 2204. Then in between the two he had this Zoom multi effects thing. I suggested to try plugging in direct (diplomatically ). His guitar sounded sooo good straight in. That Zoom was just killing his tone. What I find works well for me is to find a few pedals that are going to do what you need. Most multi effects that I have used can only get you so far. A good Chorus, Delay, Flanger and overdrive and maybe a wah is all you should need. Just my opinion.....

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: chasing a blusey tone with a Peavey Classic 50 410 -- speakers?

With all due respects Reggie. Get rid of that multi effects board. Those generally suck a lot of tone. If you really want to hear what the amp is doing plug straight in & then you can go from there. I recently played with a guy who had a beautiful Les Paul plugged into a Marshall 2204. Then in between the two he had this Zoom multi effects thing. I suggested to try plugging in direct (diplomatically ). His guitar sounded sooo good straight in. That Zoom was just killing his tone. What I find works well for me is to find a few pedals that are going to do what you need. Most multi effects that I have used can only get you so far. A good Chorus, Delay, Flanger and overdrive and maybe a wah is all you should need. Just my opinion.....

I had a friend with a evh. And a big Crate. That hissed mercifully .he blamed it on the high gain amp till we unplugged the zoom pedal

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