Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

Well, no, not exactly. A 250k vol pot even with no tone pot is going to sound darker than a 500k vol pot with a 500k tone pot.

but why?
maybe if the cap is a really small, but for the high frequencies the normal cap values are a short, so the 2x 500k are just in parallel for the frequencies which really matter (same as one 250k pot).

anyway, i test the 500k pot. this will mean more highs one way or another.

i don't have fitting pots right now so i will lift the 250ks with 220k or 270k from ground. i will not be able to turn off the volume completely, but for testings this will be fine, especially since i can easily bridge the Resistor for A/B being

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

the chopper is now in my first tele (swamp ash) with 500k vol and no tone.
A/Bed it with a lower vol pot and i prefer the higher value (more edge). Thanks for the suggestions!

didn't try parallel or split, yet.

pickup sounds better in this guitar (normal slant, heavier and less honky sounding guitar unplugged)
i think i will keep the chopper in this guitar, although the overall characteristic of the chopper still tends to be too much honk too my ears, but with the gain lower i can get a sound i like.
the neck PU in that guitar doesn't shine like the one in the new guitar with gain around 12 and up either, so this guitar will be used from clean to gain around 11:30

so still looking for the perfect tele bridge under gain.
the setup for the lil 59 in the 3rd Tele is not finished yet, but i don't think it will satisfy me.

just don't like that big Tele fullsize humbucker Bridge plate, it is so much wider...

has anybody ever moved the coils from a strat lil screamin demon into a lil 59 for tele???

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

finally managed to wire and test the lil 59 with 500k in the heavy alder Tele (normal slant) with the lil hotter neck.
what a waste of time!
the lil 59 is way hotter than the chopper (and the normal fullsize '59). too much mids for my liking. sometimes i think i even get that cocked wah sound, which gets annoying pretty fast.
i even checked if it's not a hot rails for tele because that to my ears would fit the description, but it definitely has no rails
backdown the gain to under 10 o'clock and it's much better, but the sweetspot for the neck would be around 12 o'clock for this guitar
got the lil 59 already 5 mm of the strings and the neck pretty close.
but the wound strings are still too round, even with a fresh set of strings.

anyway:
the lil 59 has to go. or maybe i can use the baseplate for swapping coils with a lil screamin demon for strat?
Has anybody ever done that?
are the dimensions of the coils of lil/jr buckers for strat and tele the same size?

or maybe i can adapt to this look:

 

[Techy Beccy]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

Hey, have you popped the hood on your guitar - (meaning the scratch plate), to see what routing options you have under there!! Id stick a quarter pounder for strat in the neck! But yeah pop the pick gaurd off and see what your routing options are - you might be able to put anything from a full.sized HB to pretty much anything you want in there - and just get a new pickgaurd cut!

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

I'd keep the Chopper! I'm out....


Maybe 500k pots?

Chopper T with 500K pots and wired for series/split/parallel. I love it wired up that way when I had it in a Tele (sold the Tele body loaded, that's another story) and I have to say that configuration (it was the only pickup) was ridiculously versatile. Clean, light distortion, heavy distortion. You can't go wrong with it, IMO.

ToneFiddler ~ This is how My main Tele IS and will STAY , Period. 500k with Chopper-T in Bridge ( but I do use a Twisted in Neck ) I Love the combination - my Gear Responds well to stuff . it's just wired standard 3-way

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

Hey, have you popped the hood on your guitar - (meaning the scratch plate), to see what routing options you have under there!! Id stick a quarter pounder for strat in the neck! But yeah pop the pick gaurd off and see what your routing options are - you might be able to put anything from a full.sized HB to pretty much anything you want in there - and just get a new pickgaurd cut!

no, they are all routed for standard Tele neck pickups and bridges.
I know that hotter neck pickups would balance better with the buckers in the bridge, but the neck pickups are actually the ones i liked in the first place.

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

ToneFiddler ~ This is how My main Tele IS and will STAY , Period. 500k with Chopper-T in Bridge ( but I do use a Twisted in Neck ) I Love the combination - my Gear Responds well to stuff . it's just wired standard 3-way

yeah, i keep one guitar with the the chopper T.
It's not the the sound I wanted originally, but i like it enough to keep it.

I still think a lil screamin demon for tele would be perfect for me, but it doesn't exist.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

yeah, i keep one guitar with the the chopper T.
It's not the the sound I wanted originally, but i like it enough to keep it.

I still think a lil screamin demon for tele would be perfect for me, but it doesn't exist.

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[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

"form. like USB" i don't get it?

so for the middle position i figure you use the split/parallel chopper?
because otherwise (at least in my case) it's all chopper, no neck

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

quick update:
i learned how to use the chopper and i dig it. had some nice session with it. Sounds best with chrunchy to medium gain not what i original intended it for. It's one sound/guitar more i haven't planned on. But now that i have it, i want to keep it. But i moved back to 250k Volume only. 500k was too bright.

meanwhile i tried a lil screamin demon in a strat bridge. well it's a different guitar and i haven't tried a chopper in the strat but:
compared to my chopper in the tele it works quite good with the gain level i original intended.
this thing can take a lot of gain without sounding undefined, honky, too compressed. So the characteristics of it's big brother are retained.
unlike the lil 59 bridge for tele I've tried which sounds nothing like a '59.
wrote some more about the lil demon here:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...on-Neck-Pickup&p=4373270&posted=1#post4373270
post#5
so for lower gain i prefer the chopper because the demon sounds too dry. But if i turn the gain up, the chopper get's quite compressed and honky very quick. It's just all mids and the mids are more of a higher frequency which is too much with my Vintage30 speakers.
the lil demon neck in the Bridge still retains it's low mid growl and to my ears it sounds much bigger at this gain level.

So i will try the lil demon Bridge in the strat bridge too and than i will take the winner of those two and cut his ears. clue some pcb baseplate on it and try to move it too my tele bridge slot. i don't think that i will sound any worse in the tele than in the strat with it's floating trem.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

Don't forget there are 'standard' models in the Custom Shop that will give you options, here.

 

[ToneFiddler]

Re: Chopper T vs lil 59 vs. Fast Track for Tele Bridge

Don't forget there are 'standard' models in the Custom Shop that will give you options, here.

Thanks, but the only one i would consider would be the Pearly Gates/Red Devil for tele. But then i am not fond of the regular PGs for high gain. Too much high mids for my taste/rig.
I love it for crunch though, think AC/DC Gain Levels. But that's not what i am going for.

As written earlier i considered a custom shop screamin Demon for Tele (Maybe with an A5 instead of a ceramic).
But i live in Europe, so this will be over 200€/far over 200$. kind of over the top for a crapshoot.
Now that i am convinced the demon will work i will reconsider it.
But i am gonna spend some more time with the lil demons in the Strat before i decide.