Chorus pedal advice
- Thread starter gilles27
- Start date
PFDarkside
of the Forum
Re: Chorus pedal advice
Nope.
Nope.
Re: Chorus pedal advice
In reality having a pedal with a good buffer (such as the Boss) towards the end of your chain, where you'd typically put a buffer, will typically IMPROVE your tone over a chain of all TB pedals.
TB has its place for things like a wah pedal run in the front of your chain but running all TB pedals sucks to much signal in a long chain.
Luckily people are starting to wise up and realize that TB isn't some holy grail of the internet guitar effects forums and make use of buffers. Builders are starting to offer more buffers these days as well. Wampler for example is just coming out with a nice new low priced buffer pedal.
Of course the really smart builders like Cornish, Roger Mayer etc have all known this all along LOL
In reality having a pedal with a good buffer (such as the Boss) towards the end of your chain, where you'd typically put a buffer, will typically IMPROVE your tone over a chain of all TB pedals.
TB has its place for things like a wah pedal run in the front of your chain but running all TB pedals sucks to much signal in a long chain.
Luckily people are starting to wise up and realize that TB isn't some holy grail of the internet guitar effects forums and make use of buffers. Builders are starting to offer more buffers these days as well. Wampler for example is just coming out with a nice new low priced buffer pedal.
Of course the really smart builders like Cornish, Roger Mayer etc have all known this all along LOL
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Chorus pedal advice
No no....we swears by the precious.......Troo bypass is da bomb.
No no....we swears by the precious.......Troo bypass is da bomb.
gilles27
New member
Re: Chorus pedal advice
hmm good info, so how does the off position on a standard CE-2 operate in comparison to the off position of a true bypass pedal. also, if i'm using something like a Blackstar valve overdrive pedal as a pre-amp, do i want the chorus (with a buffer rather than tb) in front or behind it?
hmm good info, so how does the off position on a standard CE-2 operate in comparison to the off position of a true bypass pedal. also, if i'm using something like a Blackstar valve overdrive pedal as a pre-amp, do i want the chorus (with a buffer rather than tb) in front or behind it?
Re: Chorus pedal advice
Well TB is just that, a true hardware bypass where a buffered pedal is always running the signal through the circuit.
Thing is though that theres no free lunch per say. Even with TB you can't magically make the pedal disapear, the signal still is routed through the pedal, just not through the circuit.
Excessive example but lets say you line up 20 TB pedals, well your going to notice a much weaker signal than running straight because your signal is going through 20 pedals still, follow me ?
Thats how/why a few buffers, either dedicated or in another pedal are a good idea, because they help boost your signal back up a bit which is a good thing in many cases.
As for placement, I'd still put it after the distortion pedal/preamp simply because I like the sound of it that way better. its really subjective though as you'll find people who run them both ways.
Well TB is just that, a true hardware bypass where a buffered pedal is always running the signal through the circuit.
Thing is though that theres no free lunch per say. Even with TB you can't magically make the pedal disapear, the signal still is routed through the pedal, just not through the circuit.
Excessive example but lets say you line up 20 TB pedals, well your going to notice a much weaker signal than running straight because your signal is going through 20 pedals still, follow me ?
Thats how/why a few buffers, either dedicated or in another pedal are a good idea, because they help boost your signal back up a bit which is a good thing in many cases.
As for placement, I'd still put it after the distortion pedal/preamp simply because I like the sound of it that way better. its really subjective though as you'll find people who run them both ways.
Re: Chorus pedal advice
I've owned several chorus pedals... I don't have one right now but among my favorites were the old Boss CE-2, the CE-20 (the twin pedal) and the Ibanez CS-9.
Those would be for mono choruses, BTW. I've come to the conclusion that chorus and flange sound the best in stereo, and I kind of had a hard time finding one that had that three-dimensional sound in mono.
Im currently trying to snap up a Boss DC-2 on eBay, those are expensive and hard to catch! I was bidding on one today and the auction ended with me as the highest bidder at $223 and the reserve still wasn't met!
I've owned several chorus pedals... I don't have one right now but among my favorites were the old Boss CE-2, the CE-20 (the twin pedal) and the Ibanez CS-9.
Those would be for mono choruses, BTW. I've come to the conclusion that chorus and flange sound the best in stereo, and I kind of had a hard time finding one that had that three-dimensional sound in mono.
Im currently trying to snap up a Boss DC-2 on eBay, those are expensive and hard to catch! I was bidding on one today and the auction ended with me as the highest bidder at $223 and the reserve still wasn't met!
James Rock
New member
Re: Chorus pedal advice
That may be somewhat true but I find if I run a buffered pedal after my distortion (Indyguitarist Pinnacle II) it totally thins out the tone. But buffers are fine before it and bad buffers can wreck tone (Behringer anyone).
PFDarkside
of the Forum
Re: Chorus pedal advice
That's what people always miss (IMO) in the buffer/TB debate. Sure, I bet all your company's buffers are great, Rid... but others are not. Not to mention stuff like vintage MXR and EHX, it's not even buffered, just poorly designed bypass. Those suck major tone by loading the "bypassed" signal with half the circuit.
That's what people always miss (IMO) in the buffer/TB debate. Sure, I bet all your company's buffers are great, Rid... but others are not. Not to mention stuff like vintage MXR and EHX, it's not even buffered, just poorly designed bypass. Those suck major tone by loading the "bypassed" signal with half the circuit.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Chorus pedal advice
Millsart is always on the money when it comes to pedals.
I have a Choralflange, but I honestly don't even use it for chorus......more like a fast underwater Leslie type thing. I had an old CE-2 a long time ago and loved it. There's a lot of pro's that could use anything, and still go for that pedal. Probably one of the best Boss pedals. I just don't do the chorus thing too much, so I don't need it.
Millsart is always on the money when it comes to pedals.
I have a Choralflange, but I honestly don't even use it for chorus......more like a fast underwater Leslie type thing. I had an old CE-2 a long time ago and loved it. There's a lot of pro's that could use anything, and still go for that pedal. Probably one of the best Boss pedals. I just don't do the chorus thing too much, so I don't need it.
pzaxtl
Gibletsologist
Re: Chorus pedal advice
I have a Boss CE-5 I picked up from Garrett (kjrocks) that I like but my personal favorite is the Visual Sound H20. Two pedals in one -- chorus and echo (delay) that are controlled by separate foot switches and separate contols. I have the older version -- the new V2 has a "normal/lush" rocker switch for the chorus side as well as a "short/long" rocker for the echo side -- nice pedal.
I have a Boss CE-5 I picked up from Garrett (kjrocks) that I like but my personal favorite is the Visual Sound H20. Two pedals in one -- chorus and echo (delay) that are controlled by separate foot switches and separate contols. I have the older version -- the new V2 has a "normal/lush" rocker switch for the chorus side as well as a "short/long" rocker for the echo side -- nice pedal.
Last edited:
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Chorus pedal advice
Get a CS505, an old Arion, CE-2, the old yellow MXR, all these old things where used by quite a few cool cats back then.....but today....oh my...so much online rubbish to plough through....it is not the nonbuffer or the idiotic TB, but the friggin impedance that causes trouble.......and there is like a million switchers to use with all your pedals of choice today....
Get a CS505, an old Arion, CE-2, the old yellow MXR, all these old things where used by quite a few cool cats back then.....but today....oh my...so much online rubbish to plough through....it is not the nonbuffer or the idiotic TB, but the friggin impedance that causes trouble.......and there is like a million switchers to use with all your pedals of choice today....
stuey222
New member
Re: Chorus pedal advice
The H2O is a nice chorus. They even make it as a stand alone pedal now. Really versatile chorus.
The H2O is a nice chorus. They even make it as a stand alone pedal now. Really versatile chorus.
crusty philtrum
Vintageologist
Re: Chorus pedal advice
Hi
I have owned my Boss CE-2 since they first came out, i am guessing about 1979 or 1980. After the first decade or so, i remember noticing that the sound had changed.....it seemed to have mellowed a bit in it's top end, maybe lost a little shimmer. I have since learnt that silicon (transistors and IC chips) do change with age. Has anyone noticed anything similar?
I still love this old pedal, and i am thinking of putting a Monte Allum kit into it. It's kinda funny, if you are exposed to an old one now, having never heard them before, you may never actually know whether the sound has changed or what it sounded like originally.
It's great to see they are still held in such high regard. I used to use mine sometimes, just a tiny ammount, on acoustic guitar, and it even did duty sometimes in PA systems, with just the smallest ammount applied to a certain female vocalist to round the top end of her high notes.....worked wonderfully, barely detectable but it did it's job. On electric guitar of course, it is beautiful. One of those 'less is more' kinda things.
Hi
I have owned my Boss CE-2 since they first came out, i am guessing about 1979 or 1980. After the first decade or so, i remember noticing that the sound had changed.....it seemed to have mellowed a bit in it's top end, maybe lost a little shimmer. I have since learnt that silicon (transistors and IC chips) do change with age. Has anyone noticed anything similar?
I still love this old pedal, and i am thinking of putting a Monte Allum kit into it. It's kinda funny, if you are exposed to an old one now, having never heard them before, you may never actually know whether the sound has changed or what it sounded like originally.
It's great to see they are still held in such high regard. I used to use mine sometimes, just a tiny ammount, on acoustic guitar, and it even did duty sometimes in PA systems, with just the smallest ammount applied to a certain female vocalist to round the top end of her high notes.....worked wonderfully, barely detectable but it did it's job. On electric guitar of course, it is beautiful. One of those 'less is more' kinda things.