Closer to something like an H9 to round out my rig

[devastone]

Since you mentioned the Boss 500 series, maybe the GT-1000 Core? Even with out using the amp models, it has 5 delays that can be used simultaneously, a polyphonic tuner, a really nice Univibe, chorus, compression, and way more stuff than you need. And, so far, since the 1000's release, frequent updates.

https://www.boss.info/us/products/gt-1000core/

 

[NegativeEase]

Since you mentioned the Boss 500 series, maybe the GT-1000 Core? Even with out using the amp models, it has 5 delays that can be used simultaneously, a polyphonic tuner, a really nice Univibe, chorus, compression, and way more stuff than you need. And, so far, since the 1000's release, frequent updates.

https://www.boss.info/us/products/gt-1000core/

Yeah, that's top of the list right now for me -if it was 3 inches narrower -it would hit all points for me.

 

[Mincer]

Yes, the video only shows the single channel Flashback because it was a good example of setting it for a chorus, I actually mentioned the X4 version which is like having 3 of the Flashbacks in one pedal (and yes, X3 seems more appropriate, but no one asked me).

While we are there, just get the Plethora, which has all of the Toneprint-type pedals in a small pedalboard, with several MASH expression switches. If you don't like Line6, and don't use the more esoteric algorithms of the H9, this would be my choice.

 

[devastone]

Needs more footswitches for my everyday use, but I could never figure out how I would incorporate the H9 with just 2 buttons either.

*EDIT* this was referring to the GT-1K Core, not the Plethora, Mincer was just quicker on the draw, uhm, post.

 

[devastone]

While we are there, just get the Plethora, which has all of the Toneprint-type pedals in a small pedalboard, with several MASH expression switches. If you don't like Line6, and don't use the more esoteric algorithms of the H9, this would be my choice.

Good call, I forgot about that one.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Whatever it is, make sure it has an Alnico 2. Word on the street is those are better for rounded-out tones.

 

[NegativeEase]

Yes, the video only shows the single channel Flashback because it was a good example of setting it for a chorus, I actually mentioned the X4 version which is like having 3 of the Flashbacks in one pedal (and yes, X3 seems more appropriate, but no one asked me).

Devatone hyperlinks the subject matter -it's the heroic things that go unnoticed!

Honestly, I didn't consider the flashback -and that is easy for me to get -are you saying you can drop a chorus toneprint in the flashback?

 

[Bogner]

Yep -thats what we are covering in the recent posts..

With no H10 timeline announced -not even a taste, and the H9 algorithm and market abandoned after 7 years and the H9 Max price the same as always -I'm not sure getting an H9 is the best path for me -I'd like something that is supported and growing.

Sort of why I wrote "something like an H9"

Love the sarcasm bro.

My point being I was unaware that Eventide was making an H10. I was also unaware they "abandoned" the H9. When were these announcements of H9 abandonment made? When did Eventide say they are no longer supporting the H9? What effects or algos has Eventide produced that are not on the H9? I have heard nothing about any of this.

 

[devastone]

Devatone hyperlinks the subject matter -it's the heroic things that go unnoticed!

Honestly, I didn't consider the flashback -and that is easy for me to get -are you saying you can drop a chorus toneprint in the flashback?

Can't put a Corona (chorus) toneprint in the flashback, but you can turn up the depth and modulation and turn the delay time down and get a chorus effect. And you can download the toneprint editor and program your own, I'm guessing all the parameters are available to create a nice chorus in it. Check out the utube-y thingies.

Toneprint editor manual - https://toneprints.com/media/1958054/tc-electronic-toneprint-editor-manual-english.pdf

Sounds like the modulation parameters are available in the reverb and delay pedals, it you have easy access to a flashback might be worth playing with some.

 

[NegativeEase]

Love the sarcasm bro.

I wasn't being sarcastic BTW. I'm not that way if you are reading it that way... sorry if my wording suggests that (again this isn't sarcastic either)

I know we don't know each other in person, so maybe my nature isn't very clear... I'm not one to escalate or be a d*ck -if you read that it's my bad for the wording or I was trying to be funny

all good.

 

[Securb]

Love the sarcasm bro.

My point being I was unaware that Eventide was making an H10. I was also unaware they "abandoned" the H9. When were these announcements of H9 abandonment made? When did Eventide say they are no longer supporting the H9? What effects or algos has Eventide produced that are not on the H9? I have heard nothing about any of this.

Here you go man.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/forum/the-pedal-board/6033643-eventide-h9-h9-core-last-call-extended

 

[NegativeEase]

My point being I was unaware that Eventide was making an H10.

In fairness I have no idea what the next thing will be called -H10 is just a way of saying that thing -they have not announced anything and also have told me they cannot comment on this.

When were these announcements of H9 abandonment made?

. I mean abandon development -I'm sure they'll support them as is for quite some time

Here is direct communication from Eventide As of March 31st, we are discontinuing the sale of the H9 Core and the H9 Standard, and we are closing the algorithm store in H9 Control, so no algorithms can be purchased after that date. We will still be selling the H9 Max and we will allow older Cores and Standards to MaxOut with a onetime PayPal payment on our website

When were these announcements of H9 abandonment made?

-I was meaning abandon development and support of their algorithm marketplace -not support of a legacy device from a repair or software reflash type of need -Securb saw this announcement weeks ago -I followed up direct with them this week. Sorry if I was too brief on that earlier.

What effects or algos has Eventide produced that are not on the H9?

I didn't ask -it's a great question.

I don't want to make this sound like a bad thing.... the product is 7 years old so it's EOL time -very normal - I'm sure existing ones can be repaired and people can max out their existing ones before it's frozen in time with no other functionality -I guess Eventide are moving on to something else clearly and won't say what yet.

My point was an H9 is probably not for me because of this -I'm not spending 700 dollars on an EOL product that is a software ecosystem -discounted to reflect EOL -yeah I would -and I would buy EOL still for a hardware specific pedal -sure. -but for a product based on ongoing development and a place to purchase new features but is now going away, I would wait -as I want to be along for the growth of something new -which because they are closing their algorithm store -clearly won't be backwards compatible either.

 

[Bogner]

https://www.eventideaudio.com/produc...ocessor/h9-max

Based on the blurb in the link above I don't see Eventide is doing anything but choosing to make a single H9 unit (the H9 Max) and doing away with the lesser priced units. If a person bought one Max unit and another H9 Core or Standard unit, that unit could be upgraded (licensed) to become an H9 Max unit. You can do up to four units. In essence, If you buy a single H9 Max you can "upgrade" up to 4 additional H9 units to be Max units for free. I remember being very confused on this and most stores selling them were confused and offering conflicting information on this and how it worked. What solved it for me was when the Black H9 Max came out. I was wanting to get 2 or 3 units for an Eventide only pedalboard and said the hell with it all and bought 3 black units because I liked the color and didn't want to deal with any confusion.

It appears to me they are simply doing away with everything but the Max at this time. I am sure the H9 Max will be replaced but I don't gather that at all from the statement attached in the link I provided. If the H9 has the options you are seeking, I wouldn't hesitate getting one. All the chatter in this thread made the situation far worse than I am seeing by their statement. I could be wrong.

 

[NegativeEase]

https://www.eventideaudio.com/produc...ocessor/h9-max

Based on the blurb in the link above I don't see Eventide is doing anything but choosing to make a single H9 unit (the H9 Max) and doing away with the lesser priced units. If a person bought one Max unit and another H9 Core or Standard unit, that unit could be upgraded (licensed) to become an H9 Max unit. You can do up to four units. In essence, If you buy a single H9 Max you can "upgrade" up to 4 additional H9 units to be Max units for free. I remember being very confused on this and most stores selling them were confused and offering conflicting information on this and how it worked. What solved it for me was when the Black H9 Max came out. I was wanting to get 2 or 3 units for an Eventide only pedalboard and said the hell with it all and bought 3 black units because I liked the color and didn't want to deal with any confusion.

It appears to me they are simply doing away with everything but the Max at this time. I am sure the H9 Max will be replaced but I don't gather that at all from the statement attached in the link I provided. If the H9 has the options you are seeking, I wouldn't hesitate getting one. All the chatter in this thread made the situation far worse than I am seeing by their statement. I could be wrong.

Yeah, I gather you love your H9!

Perhaps you are reading my reasoning for not buying one as an indictment of the H9 -it's not meant to be at all -just without new algorithms, no marketplace, and still same full price knowing something new is coming... just for me, I'd rather wait or pick something earlier in the life cycle -and only because it's software ecosystem.

They told me directly -no more new algorithms, no more marketplace (See above comment from me) As Securb said it's End of Life -its a normal thing.

 

[devastone]

Back to the original topic, the Keeley Mod Workstation is another contender, either of the mod channels can be configured as a delay - https://robertkeeley.com/product/super-mod-workstation/

 

[NegativeEase]

Back to the original topic, the Keeley Mod Workstation is another contender, either of the mod channels can be configured as a delay - https://robertkeeley.com/product/super-mod-workstation/

Very interesting one. Ever used one?

How much backside money does Demanic get with each member purchase?

 

[devastone]

I've played with the Delay workstation for delay and reverb, but it's been a while so can't really help much. Keeley is known for making good stuff, the only concern was that you mentioned needing multiple delay types/times(?) so you might be restricted to one with this.

If money isn't an object I would still probably recommend the FT-1000 CORE and program an always on chorus and the buttons for different delays (you should be able to reprogram the buttons like its bigger brother, but check the manual first), and you have only used one program slot, still have 249 for other stuff.

And I can't speak to Demanic's compensation schedule.

 

[NegativeEase]

I've played with the Delay workstation for delay and reverb, but it's been a while so can't really help much. Keeley is known for making good stuff, the only concern was that you mentioned needing multiple delay types/times(?) so you might be restricted to one with this.

If money isn't an object I would still probably recommend the FT-1000 CORE and program an always on chorus and the buttons for different delays (you should be able to reprogram the buttons like its bigger brother, but check the manual first), and you have only used one program slot, still have 249 for other stuff.

And I can't speak to Demanic's compensation schedule.

The GT-1000 Core is sort of everything ever in one thing... almost intimidating!

 

[devastone]

Yes, I struggle with option anxiety with the GT-1K, or any modeler/mulit-effects. I do miss an amp and a few pedals...

 

[NegativeEase]

Yes, I struggle with option anxiety with the GT-1K, or any modeler/mulit-effects. I do miss an amp and a few pedals...

death by "freedom of choice" :lmao:

I'm trying to balance my essential 5-6 pedals with one more pedal for whatever...

I guess I need to research --funny the GT-1000 core tones I've listened to so far are really hit or miss for me -some seem incredible and some laughable to me.

That Eventide H9 Diatonic Algorithm really spoke to me.