Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

[WingerManiac]

Hi folks, I´m currently looking for the perfect speaker combination for my EVH 2x12 cabinet, which I use for my Peavey 6505+.

I would like to try a Celestion Heritage G12-65 / Celestion G12H Creamback 75 combination and wanted to ask, if any of you guys have tried this
combination before.

Here´s my idea: the G12-65 is one of the darkest speakers Celestion makes, with a lot of midrange. The Creamback 75 on the other hand is
quite bright and has a tight bass response. So together they should produce a massive sound. I got a great result when I combined the Celestion EVH speakers
with G12H30 Anniversary speakers. The problem is that this combination can only handle 40 watts in a 2x12. I need at least 120 watts power rating ;-)

I noticed that Celestion recommends pairing the Creamback 75 with the Creamback 65 on their website. However, since the heritage G12-65
is even darker, with less high end, it should match the Creamback 75 even better?

Please let me know what you think. Thanks!!!

 

[JeffB]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

H30 derivatives and G12M derivatives work well together. And I have done the creambwck 65/75 combo.

The biggest issue in a 2x12 is the H mag speakers will overpower the M mag speakers due to the spl/db difference. the H mags are 100db, and the M mags are 96/97/98 db. With the 98db 12m chinese greenback, its not so bad. You really start to hear it with the creamback 12m and the evh/heritage.

Over time it bugged me and I eventually went to just g12ms.

In a 4x12 it works better cos you can X pattern it.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

Just a heads up: The G12-65 is actually pretty bright, not dark. It's sort of like somewhere in between a Greenback and a T-75.

 

[WingerManiac]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

Thanks for the help guys! Yeah I heard about the volume difference but I think I have to try it and see if it´s good or bad. I could imagine that it adds to a stereo / wide effect if the speakers respond a bit differently?

Just a heads up: The G12-65 is actually pretty bright, not dark. It's sort of like somewhere in between a Greenback and a T-75.

Really!? I listened to almost every speaker on the Celestion website and the G12-65 was by far the darkest. If that´s not the case, what speaker would you recommend instead?
Basically I need a Greenback with at least 60 watts power rating to pair with the brighter Creamback 75. Thanks!

 

[JeffB]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

The heritage 65 or creamback 65 will work fine. The creamback 65 is a little more low middy/grunty and doesn't have as much top end/presence as the 12-65.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

Really!? I listened to almost every speaker on the Celestion website and the G12-65 was by far the darkest. If that´s not the case, what speaker would you recommend instead?
Basically I need a Greenback with at least 60 watts power rating to pair with the brighter Creamback 75. Thanks!

Greenbacks are warm-ish by Celestion standards, but I find most Celestions to be on the bright side, honestly. Greenback types may have less icepick high-mids than your typical Vintage 30, but they've got more going on in the actual highs, IMO.

Maybe look into the A-Type if you want dark.

 

[WingerManiac]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

Greenbacks are warm-ish by Celestion standards, but I find most Celestions to be on the bright side, honestly. Greenback types may have less icepick high-mids than your typical Vintage 30, but they've got more going on in the actual highs, IMO.

Maybe look into the A-Type if you want dark.

Judging from videos, the A-Type is very scratchy/fizzy which I don´t like at all. In fact that´s why I like the Greenbacks: overall very smooth with good midrange.

When I said "dark speaker" I meant restrained high-end and a lot of mid range. Basically to fill in what the Creamback 75 is missing.
If the Creamback 65 really has less high-end and more midrange than the heritage G12-65, I will give it a go.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

The large dust cap on the 12-65 reduces midrange and extends the extremes compared to the smaller dust cap versions. A little more bass, a little more highs.


This video is a very good representation of what a Creamback 65 sounds like "in real life" when pushed.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

I've always been torn between the idea of mixing speakers vs. all the same.

In 412's, I don't like X patterns, because the sound is different from left to right.
I use top two midrange, and bottom two bass/treble.

I've had conversations with the industry's main gurus, and most of them prefer all the same of their favorite speaker, rather than mixes. Very interesting to hear that from speaker experts.

So, it may be best to learn what you love, and load your cab with that only. If you want another tone, get another cab of all the same.

In the end, I prefer 212's to be the same, and 412's with mid top/bass treble bottom. Then mic whatever sounds best in the mix....most likely the mid, such as V30 or 12M. But if you have a midrangey amp or pickups, you may want to mic your bass/treble speaker, such as H30 or 75T.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

i like having the g12h/v30 pairing in my 2x12. ill try both at sound check and mic the one the sound guy likes better for the mix. works out really well

 

[YeRedHouseOverYonder]

Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

I had good results with a V30/Creamback 75 in a 2x12 Bogner OS. It sounded more or less what you're looking to achieve with this combo. V30 provided the mid emphasis while the CB 75 held its own with the top end/bass. The creamback 75 helped fill in the spike that people tend to hate with V30s. Sounded great clean or driven. I was running a tweed amp with dirt pedals at the time.


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[WingerManiac]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

UPDATE: I found the speaker combination I was looking for: Creamback 75 + Creamback 65

Last week, I ordered a couple of speakers and tested them in my EVH 2x12 cabinet. I really liked the Creamback 75 + Classic Lead and the Creamback 75 + Vintage 30.
But when I tested the Creamback 75 + Creamback 65 combination, I felt right at home. These speakers get along really well, exactly the sound I was looking for.

Thank you very much for pointing out the G12-65 as quite bright and therefore not what I´m looking for, that really helped. Cheers!

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: Combining Celestion Heritage G12-65 and Creamback 75?

Did you alllow all those speakers to break in?


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