Combo Amp choice VS
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Understandable. For me, for a lower powered "bedroom" amp, I chose that Bugera over some others that I auditioned and I bought from a dealer that has an in house 2 year replacement. Bugera gives you 3 years if you register but I heard that warranty service is spotty at best and may just plain suck. If it doesn't work out, lesson learned and I'm out $320. But I'm covered for at least 2 years. Relatively speaking, that's not a whole lot of risk. From looking at the board and internal components, there are Asian made amps that cost a good bit more and aren't built any better.
Understandable. For me, for a lower powered "bedroom" amp, I chose that Bugera over some others that I auditioned and I bought from a dealer that has an in house 2 year replacement. Bugera gives you 3 years if you register but I heard that warranty service is spotty at best and may just plain suck. If it doesn't work out, lesson learned and I'm out $320. But I'm covered for at least 2 years. Relatively speaking, that's not a whole lot of risk. From looking at the board and internal components, there are Asian made amps that cost a good bit more and aren't built any better.
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Very true, I almost pulled the trigger on a Bugera TriRec. But just decided to exchange my Ironheart for a 5150 III 50 watt instead lol. I hear that EVH customer service is excellent and that the EVH is built like a tank. soooo...maybe some day I'll be daring enough to buy a Bugera....but not today haha.
Very true, I almost pulled the trigger on a Bugera TriRec. But just decided to exchange my Ironheart for a 5150 III 50 watt instead lol. I hear that EVH customer service is excellent and that the EVH is built like a tank. soooo...maybe some day I'll be daring enough to buy a Bugera....but not today haha.
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If you're only looking for a bedroom amp/practice amp and thats all...then I wouldnt bother with something like a 6505. Although I'm a huge fan of tube amps for band use and gigs....I have a Line 6 Spider 30 watt practice amp at home...just for practice. I know I said they catch on fire at high HIGH volumes but for a practice amp I could easily recommend a solid state or modeling amp, you can get that sound at low volumes. Tube amps you have to crank up and run the tubes hot in order to get that saturated metal sound
If you're only looking for a bedroom amp/practice amp and thats all...then I wouldnt bother with something like a 6505. Although I'm a huge fan of tube amps for band use and gigs....I have a Line 6 Spider 30 watt practice amp at home...just for practice. I know I said they catch on fire at high HIGH volumes but for a practice amp I could easily recommend a solid state or modeling amp, you can get that sound at low volumes. Tube amps you have to crank up and run the tubes hot in order to get that saturated metal sound
GilmourD
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The amount of misinformation in this post is astounding.
Fire? Really? I hope you're joking.
The volume disparity is because people like to think that every single solid state amp has the same speaker as a Gorilla. A lot of solid state amps are designed to be inexpensive and come equipped with inefficient speakers. However, watts are watts are watts. 50 watts RMS from a solid state amp will be just as loud into a 97dB speaker as 50 watts RMS from tube amp.
I gigged for a long time with either a Line6 FlexTone III XL or a PODxt Live. The FlexTone always sounded great and handled high volume well.
I run tubes these days because I like the distortion characteristics and how controllable a clean that isn't really clean can be.
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The amount of misinformation in this post is astounding.
Fire? Really? I hope you're joking.
The volume disparity is because people like to think that every single solid state amp has the same speaker as a Gorilla. A lot of solid state amps are designed to be inexpensive and come equipped with inefficient speakers. However, watts are watts are watts. 50 watts RMS from a solid state amp will be just as loud into a 97dB speaker as 50 watts RMS from tube amp.
I gigged for a long time with either a Line6 FlexTone III XL or a PODxt Live. The FlexTone always sounded great and handled high volume well.
I run tubes these days because I like the distortion characteristics and how controllable a clean that isn't really clean can be.
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I didnt give any misinformation. And I NEVER mentioned watts comparing to volume. DID I? lol. READ what I posted. And no, I am not joking about the Line 6 Spider Head. I have actually SEEN one catch on fire at a gig....and it wasnt a pyro effect haha. But I will agree that the Flextone III is a very decent modeling amp. yes 50 watts is 50 watts, but theres NO way a solid state at full volume is going to sound as good as a tube amp at full volume. I never said that it wouldnt be as loud lol..SMH. YOU WILL lose a lot of your tone and clarity running a solid state amp at full volume.
The amount of misinformation in this post is astounding.
Fire? Really? I hope you're joking.
The volume disparity is because people like to think that every single solid state amp has the same speaker as a Gorilla. A lot of solid state amps are designed to be inexpensive and come equipped with inefficient speakers. However, watts are watts are watts. 50 watts RMS from a solid state amp will be just as loud into a 97dB speaker as 50 watts RMS from tube amp.
I gigged for a long time with either a Line6 FlexTone III XL or a PODxt Live. The FlexTone always sounded great and handled high volume well.
I run tubes these days because I like the distortion characteristics and how controllable a clean that isn't really clean can be.
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I didnt give any misinformation. And I NEVER mentioned watts comparing to volume. DID I? lol. READ what I posted. And no, I am not joking about the Line 6 Spider Head. I have actually SEEN one catch on fire at a gig....and it wasnt a pyro effect haha. But I will agree that the Flextone III is a very decent modeling amp. yes 50 watts is 50 watts, but theres NO way a solid state at full volume is going to sound as good as a tube amp at full volume. I never said that it wouldnt be as loud lol..SMH. YOU WILL lose a lot of your tone and clarity running a solid state amp at full volume.
GilmourD
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I've run the FlexTone III XL at full volume before. Still sounded good. Still governed by Fletcher-Munson curves as far as what your ear actually hears, just as with a tube amp.
It's going to sound DIFFERENT. Nobody ever said that differen't isn't as good. A Fender Twin is going to sound different than a Marshall 1959 circuit Plexi. Heck, a Fender Twin (non-reverb) is going to sound different than a Fender Dual Showman and they're the same circuit pushing different speakers.
If you knew how many big shows are run with AxeFX units and solid-state power amps behind the fake empty amp stacks and you liked the tones your brain would hurt.
But, yes, you did give misinformation. You perpetuated the bad stereotypes about solid state devices that have been going around since before the Internet was even a thing and just aren't true anymore because manufacturers aren't treating solid state stuff as toys anymore.
You saw ONE amp catch on fire. One example does not a tendency make.
I've run the FlexTone III XL at full volume before. Still sounded good. Still governed by Fletcher-Munson curves as far as what your ear actually hears, just as with a tube amp.
It's going to sound DIFFERENT. Nobody ever said that differen't isn't as good. A Fender Twin is going to sound different than a Marshall 1959 circuit Plexi. Heck, a Fender Twin (non-reverb) is going to sound different than a Fender Dual Showman and they're the same circuit pushing different speakers.
If you knew how many big shows are run with AxeFX units and solid-state power amps behind the fake empty amp stacks and you liked the tones your brain would hurt.
But, yes, you did give misinformation. You perpetuated the bad stereotypes about solid state devices that have been going around since before the Internet was even a thing and just aren't true anymore because manufacturers aren't treating solid state stuff as toys anymore.
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If I weren't up to my ears at work right now I would break out the dB sensitivity specs of the speakers in each amp as well as the frequency response charts.
At full RMS max the Vypyr will be louder into the same speaker than the 6505 112. Now, 100 watts is not twice as loud as 50 watts, but that's a whole other thing altogether... Which I believe I may have written a whole long diatribe about that previously on this forum. LOL I know I wrote something somewhere.
Not true.
If I weren't up to my ears at work right now I would break out the dB sensitivity specs of the speakers in each amp as well as the frequency response charts.
At full RMS max the Vypyr will be louder into the same speaker than the 6505 112. Now, 100 watts is not twice as loud as 50 watts, but that's a whole other thing altogether... Which I believe I may have written a whole long diatribe about that previously on this forum. LOL I know I wrote something somewhere.
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http://www.guitar-list.com/guitar-science/tube-versus-solid-state-amplifiers
http://www.guitar-list.com/guitar-science/tube-versus-solid-state-amplifiers
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Ok, maybe I needed to word it differently. I actually like the Flextone III amp. No argument there. But lets face it...if you saw someone on stage running a solid state or modeling amp that caught on fire...would you go out and buy one the next day??? lol I wouldnt. I guess its just my opinion that solid state amps are better for practice and recording. I have gigged with a couple different solid state amps, believe me I'm no newbie lol. But I also remember I wasnt able to turn up past halfway otherwise there wouldnt be much articulation in my sound and it would just sound horrible. But that was also back in like 2009 so I'm sure they've come up in the world, I havent looked into the most latest models.
Ok, maybe I needed to word it differently. I actually like the Flextone III amp. No argument there. But lets face it...if you saw someone on stage running a solid state or modeling amp that caught on fire...would you go out and buy one the next day??? lol I wouldnt. I guess its just my opinion that solid state amps are better for practice and recording. I have gigged with a couple different solid state amps, believe me I'm no newbie lol. But I also remember I wasnt able to turn up past halfway otherwise there wouldnt be much articulation in my sound and it would just sound horrible. But that was also back in like 2009 so I'm sure they've come up in the world, I havent looked into the most latest models.
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I agree for sure. But is the Vypyr a 1x12 as well???? at that point we start talking about speakers and the fact that the 100 watt might have more clean headroom. There are so many factors to consider, ya know...
I agree for sure. But is the Vypyr a 1x12 as well???? at that point we start talking about speakers and the fact that the 100 watt might have more clean headroom. There are so many factors to consider, ya know...
GilmourD
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I've seen more tube amps catch on fire than solid state amps. By your logic I would never buy a tube amp again. That doesn't work for me. I live by research and repeatable results rather than single outlier experiences.
There's good and bad in both solid state and tube. I've played through tube amps that sound like however you're describing your experience with solid state stuff.
Dimebag Darrell ran solid state amps for the entirety of Pantera's run. He ran them loud. I would never describe his tone as indistinct and not articulate.
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I've seen more tube amps catch on fire than solid state amps. By your logic I would never buy a tube amp again. That doesn't work for me. I live by research and repeatable results rather than single outlier experiences.
There's good and bad in both solid state and tube. I've played through tube amps that sound like however you're describing your experience with solid state stuff.
Dimebag Darrell ran solid state amps for the entirety of Pantera's run. He ran them loud. I would never describe his tone as indistinct and not articulate.
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They're good amps. But you'll have to kind of crank it to drive the tubes enough to get that saturated tone. If you can do that were you're going to be playing then by all means. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the Vyper at all. Just depends on what you're using the amp for and the setting its going to be used in ya know..
They're good amps. But you'll have to kind of crank it to drive the tubes enough to get that saturated tone. If you can do that were you're going to be playing then by all means. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the Vyper at all. Just depends on what you're using the amp for and the setting its going to be used in ya know..
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I agree theres definately pros and cons for both. I personally hate having to change tubes and rebiasing but I think its also worth it in the long run. But I had a feeling you were going to bring up Dimebag Darrell, thats usually the response I would expect on a discussion like this. Although its true he used solid state. He didnt just run 1 head at a time at full volume. He ran 4 solid state amps at once at one point. and they were not at full peak volume because of the same reason I mentioned earlier. however he did start to use just one once Pantera started using full PA systems religiously. I know...I'm kinda splitting hairs here but thats just some FYI that most people dont really know about...
I agree theres definately pros and cons for both. I personally hate having to change tubes and rebiasing but I think its also worth it in the long run. But I had a feeling you were going to bring up Dimebag Darrell, thats usually the response I would expect on a discussion like this. Although its true he used solid state. He didnt just run 1 head at a time at full volume. He ran 4 solid state amps at once at one point. and they were not at full peak volume because of the same reason I mentioned earlier. however he did start to use just one once Pantera started using full PA systems religiously. I know...I'm kinda splitting hairs here but thats just some FYI that most people dont really know about...
GilmourD
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OK...
B.B. King, Lab Series L5.
Robben Ford, Yamaha G100 2-12
Allan Holdsworth, Yamaha SS amps
Jimmy Page, Rickenbacker Transonics for a while
Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp, Roland JC-120
Carlos Santana, SS Gallien-Kruger AT WOODSTOCK
OK...
B.B. King, Lab Series L5.
Robben Ford, Yamaha G100 2-12
Allan Holdsworth, Yamaha SS amps
Jimmy Page, Rickenbacker Transonics for a while
Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp, Roland JC-120
Carlos Santana, SS Gallien-Kruger AT WOODSTOCK
