combos. Never again.

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You also have really budget-level combos though from what i've seen

maybe a nice PTP american made amp would treat you better.
 
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drew_half_empty said:
You also have really budget-level combos though from what i've seen

maybe a nice PTP american made amp would treat you better.
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you mean like my Dr. Z amps, or the Fenders I mentioned that you haven't read about before posting? Bogners? Tweeds? Thanks.




see the post that's right above yours


edit: you're always super-high when you post here aren't you
 
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Lol sorry i don't read every one of your 30 posts per day. Last i checked you were using a fender mustang and an ibanez TS amp or some ****

edit: you're always super-high when you post here aren't you
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most of the time
 
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PVFan said:
I also said other players don't have the problem, and I said maybe they are lucky.
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Or maybe you're just unlucky. It really could go either way.

Honestly, I don't mean to pick on your playing style but I seriously doubt it's every combo you play, or at least the modern ones. For one, most major manufacturers would issue recalls for those amps or offer fixes, like Marshall did with the Class 5 rattle. Secondly, it wouldn't happen on every combo you play. It might be a design flaw for some, but not every one. I think you've read that combos have some sort of rattle and now that's all you can hear. :rant:
 
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Andrew Lamprecht said:
Put those anti tube rattling thingies on them and they're fine.
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JeffB said:
A well made combo does not have that problem.

But yeah some are bad.
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It's not the combo, it's the tubes. Sure there are some that will affect a bad tube less, but a bad enough tube will make noise.

PVFan said:
Those O-rings don't help with el-84s at all when they share a box with a speaker. Mythbusted.
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I had great success with the rings in my Ampeg Jet, and it had the EL84s 1/2" from the speaker basket. Noticeable difference. Myth :Plausible

Vasshu the humanoid typhoon said:
I kinda like my combos...and mostly I do not hear any rattles..if so, I change the dratted tubes...modern crap is just not how they use to make them...especially EL-84's!
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This is the thing...some combos are more prone to rattles, but when the tubes get loose inside, they all do it to some degree.
 
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speed2dirt said:
Or maybe you're just unlucky. It really could go either way.

Honestly, I don't mean to pick on your playing style but I seriously doubt it's every combo you play, or at least the modern ones. For one, most major manufacturers would issue recalls for those amps or offer fixes, like Marshall did with the Class 5 rattle. Secondly, it wouldn't happen on every combo you play. It might be a design flaw for some, but not every one. I think you've read that combos have some sort of rattle and now that's all you can hear. :rant:
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ha ha, nah. Tube combos have tube rattle. I've had some that didn't, until I changed tubes or some other variable. I do it in stores, interesting reactions. I'm not the only one that feels this way. It has to do with how one plays an amp. Apparently I do it differently. The solution for me is to not have the speaker(s) and tubes in the same box. You can believe that I've played all kinds of amps for a quarter-century and am an educated and washed individual, and that I've come to some conclusions, or not.
 
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I can see how vibration transmitted by the speaker could affect the cabinet, transmit those vibrations to the amp chassis then to be micro-phonically amplified by a less than stable tube. However, coming from a totally different perspective------ I used to isolate my turntable from my very powerful audiophile stereo system due to vibrations being picked up and causing the needle to bounce like a basketball. In your situation can you do the same? From my perspective, I would think even having a separate cabinet and amp will not solve your issue due to the proximity of the units to one another. most are within ten feet or less and the vibration transmission will still happen, maybe even greater due to how structurally sound the foundation is that everything is sitting on. Concrete floors are the worst, even my CD player will skip when I crank the system.

I would try a different tactic..... use a foam or sound isolation component between the amp chassis and the cab and see if that helps.

OH, by the way, my Mesa combo does not exhibit this behavior. And I really crank it. IF, it did cause the Jingle Bell effect as you call it, I would not hear it over the music. But again, you have the advantage... its you, that can hear this and you need to find your solution. Hope some of the above info can at least help in some small fashion.

Brad
 
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I don't have the problem with heads & cabs, just combos

and that is exactly why I swapped my Dr. Z Carmen Ghia / Blue combo for a Dr. Z Carmen Ghia head & Dr. Z 112 w/ Blue inside.
 
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my Peavey C30 is the first combo i've owned with the tubes rattling away on low notes... some days are better then others... sometimes i don't hear it at all... but whenever i've gigged with it i mic the extention cab instead of the combo just in case...

i've had speakers hiss and buzz at high volumes in the past but this is the first amp i've ever had with cabnet or chassey rattling sounds... My JCM800 head has some rattling going in i place the head ontop of a speaker cab... but with that head it's the metal grill on the back and i just remove it if it starts acting up, oneday i should just fix the issue with some rubber seal of some sort

but these days i'm all about finding small portable combos that sound good... so i will still be buying them
 
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it's worse when the rectifiers are tubes ...

on those it's easy to get bells ringing even when playing super quiet. I can make the bells ring in time with my vibrato. It's a resonance thing. It's a zen thing. I admit it's weird.
 
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PV... i have been enjoying a 1x12 cab with various heads for years... i use a Marshall 1912 cab a lot... the smaller cab cuts down on over all sound pressure... i tilt it back and mic it up... i put my head on a wooden make shift road case thing i have so it gets less vibrations... maybe a simular set up is what you'd like if you still need a smaller set up but still a 2 piece head and cab....

me i've been trying out some 1x12 higher gain combos so i can oneday just take one great sounding combo instead of a head and cab... less to haul... but i have not found many that i could replace my current rigs just yet... at least in my price range...
 
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The only thing I hate about combos is that they always seem to sound better when plugged into just about any cab other than the one that's permanently attached to it.
 
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PVFan said:
it's worse when the rectifiers are tubes ...

on those it's easy to get bells ringing even when playing super quiet. I can make the bells ring in time with my vibrato. It's a resonance thing. It's a zen thing. I admit it's weird.
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OH, I get it.... you have the super-human ability to harmonize (but not quite) with the natural harmonics of the tubes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND because you are slightly out of sync (not able to vibrato at thousands of hz) ..... thus Jingle bells:smack:

Sorry, could not resist PVFan. But now I sort of get what you are saying, that it is your playing style that is causing the issue, and even a well built combo could exhibit the same behavior. It may very well be something to do with the harmonics of the tube.
 
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I'm still waiting for one of mine to rattle...even the ones that ride around in the trunk of a car between gigs don't.

The original one I made 16 years ago has started to develop a little bit of a rattle come to think of it. I guess after 16 years on the same cheap Chinese tubes with probably 10,000+ hours on them I should feel lucky they lasted that long.
 
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Played MANY combos and own 2 that have never even thought about rattling. As a matter of fact, this is the first I've heard of a combo rattling...
 
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this usually gets a 50/50 reaction

50% say "yup" and live with it, and 50% of ALL TYPES of players great and small say "huh?"

it happens often enough that I don't want to make an investment anymore that just leaves me wondering when it's gonna happen again, and it always does, right when I'm resolving a phrase and landing on the magical note CLANG scares the life out of my whole sh!t and I wonder if I'm having a heart attack.



edit: "never heard of a combo rattling before" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha okay.
 
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"As a matter of fact, this is the first I've heard of a combo rattling..."

Me neither, but PVFan will never believe....... Tea Party Republican!!!!:p
 
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You're just not playing loud enough. Crank it up and you won't hear any rattling.
 
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