Compare Air Zone to AT-1 For Me...

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I can't seem to get a handle on exactly how these differ. I've been doing a lot of research the last few days, and asked on a couple of forums, including Dimarzio's, but haven't gotten any response. Seems a little weird to come to a SD forum to ask about DiMarzio's, but all my searches keep bringing up posts here!

The reason I'm looking into these two pickups is that I'm considering replacing the bridge pickup in my Fender Custom Telecaster FMT HH. It has a chambered mahogany body (maybe maple cap, maybe veneer), set mahogany neck, Fender scale length. The pickups in it are Fender Atomic II and Black Canyon. I've heard the Atomic II may be Fender's version of a JB. I got this guitar because my back can't deal with the weight of Les Paul's anymore. The other guitars I gig with use vintage single coils (Lollar blondes and Don Mare Super Sports), and this is my go to for fatter, warmer, humbucker tones. However, my Nash Strat with a Vintage Vibe A2 SP90 (single coil sized P90) is warmer.

The stock pickup can be a little harsh and honky and that sometimes makes it sound a little thin. I'm wanting something with a little more low end and a warmer, smoother high end to move this guitar even closer to Gibson territory. But, I want it to still have a somewhat vintage sound, and be responsive to picking dynamics and volume pot changes. I have a pair of really nice sounding PAF style pickups that I thought about putting in this one, but I kind of like having the hotter pickup to contrast with the vintage output single coils in my other guitars. I'm using it mostly for dirty tones. I play mostly Blues, R&B and Classic rock and use this guitar for things like ZZ Top, Warren Haynes, Santana, Neil Young, Jonny Lang etc. Nothing even approaching metal or shred.

I had a Tone Zone suggested to me, but was a bit afraid it would be too much output and bass and too little treble. The Air Zone and AT-1 look good. My understanding is that the Air Bucker design is DiMarzio's way of getting A2 like response, but with more low end. That sounds right up my alley, but most of the samples I've heard are metal or shred and not the kind of tones I use. I haven't found any direct comparisons of them. From the DiMarzio site it looks like the Air Zone has a bit more bass and mids and the AT-1 has a bit more treble. I think I read that the Air Zone was more vintage sounding and more PAF like, is that the case? Other than that, how do they differ?

The Norton was also suggested, but most references I see to it talk about 80's metal tones, and that's not what I'm going for.

Thanks for any input you have!

PS. I have a CC in an old 80's Schecter strat and thought about swapping, but I don't think the CC would have the low end I'm looking for. I have an A5 magnet around here, but I think a C5 wouldn't have the mids I'm wanting.
 
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Before I was even done reading your post, I was thinking Norton, or possibly Air Norton. Don't discount it as an '80s metal pickup. Yeah, it will do that, and a lot more. It is a very versatile pickup. If the Tone Zone has too much bass, not enough treble, then so will the Air Zone. I hear great things about the AT-1, but have not tried it. Maybe that, one of the Nortons, or even a Breed. I know, once again the Breed gets associated w/Vai & shredders, but it is a really fat, full pickup that somehow keeps from getting too muddy in the low end. If the bridge Breed looks to hot for you, many have had good results w/the neck model in the bridge.
 
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any of those will be great i see it like this
breed is the thickest sounding
then the air zone
then the AT-1
i prefer the AT-1 because it is kind of JB like, i believe when andy wanted a custom pu he was sing a JB at the time with 250K pots and dimarzio made a pu that sounded like that?
 
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Before I was even done reading your post, I was thinking Norton, or possibly Air Norton. Don't discount it as an '80s metal pickup. Yeah, it will do that, and a lot more. It is a very versatile pickup. If the Tone Zone has too much bass, not enough treble, then so will the Air Zone. I hear great things about the AT-1, but have not tried it. Maybe that, one of the Nortons, or even a Breed. I know, once again the Breed gets associated w/Vai & shredders, but it is a really fat, full pickup that somehow keeps from getting too muddy in the low end. If the bridge Breed looks to hot for you, many have had good results w/the neck model in the bridge.

In a way the AT-1 sounds like a high output version of the Air Norton, a little polite on the E & A strings, has a low mid bump and rolled back highs. Don't let the specs fool you, despite the higher output the AT-1 can do PAF/Classic Rock tone very well and is not overly compressed. This pickup saved my 1980's USA Schecter Tele.
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Air Zone: Description as a 'more vintage' Tone Zone is accurate. Comes off as a hot PAF but with some 'modern' in the tone. Doesn't have that weird presense thing going on that a TZ does. Despite DiMarzio's tone chart, I found the TZ sort of bright in a way, due to that screaming super high end presence. AZ is much more well behaved.

Breed: Want your trem equiped S guitar to sound like a LP with a hot PAF? This is your pickup. Breed in my neck-through, Edge equiped Ibanez MA1 sounds like Joe Bonamasa's LP in the latest live BCR dvd.

AT-1: Awesome pickup. Hot PAF like the AZ, but doesn't have that "modern" thing going on like the AZ does. Sounds like a JB with a lot more balls in the lows and low mids. Very complex harmonics in the mids and highs. Plenty of guts and plenty of 'sizzle' without being obnoxious at all.
 
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Thanks for all the info. It's helping a lot. Sounds like either the Air Zone or AT-1 would work for me. I had thought the Air Zone was the more vintage sounding of the two, but sounds like the AT-1 is more vintage. Some clips I listened to made me think that the Air Zone has a smoother top end, but that could just be how they had things dialed in.

The Breed might be more than I need in this guitar, but sounds like it might be perfect in my 80's Schecter HSH Strat. It just sounds much thinner than my other guitars and could use some real beefing up.

I read some of the talk of JB's working better with 250k pots, so assuming the Atomic II is really like a JB, I'm going to try a 470k resistor from it to ground and see if that helps. I may also swap in an A2 magnet just to try that out.

So here's my next question. I really like the warm, smokey sweetness of A2 pickups, but from my experience swapping magnets in a Custom Custom, it comes at the expense of some loss in the lows. So, does the Air technology really get the lower string pull, softer attack "warm, smokey sweetness" of A2, but with more bass?
 
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the AT-1 is def the more vintage sounding, the AZ is more modern overall in tone but still a great pup.
As for your other question YES dimarzio has captured a A2 type tone/feel and sag with the air design quite remarkable actually:)
the high end is smooth but still has bite to it just like a custom-customs treble, has plenty of humbucking bite...
 
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the AT-1 is def the more vintage sounding, the AZ is more modern overall in tone but still a great pup.
As for your other question YES dimarzio has captured a A2 type tone/feel and sag with the air design quite remarkable actually:)
the high end is smooth but still has bite to it just like a custom-customs treble, has plenty of humbucking bite...

Great! Thanks.
 
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I tried the 470k resistor to ground, big improvement. It loses a certain something in the highs when distorted, but over all much bigger and fuller sounding without the annoying honk. I also did a little more experimenting with adjusting the pickup height. I could live with this. I do wish for more of the A2 sweetness, but, I have a tendency to get too focused on the minute details when I get into stuff like this.

I then tried doing a rough and dirty "Air" mod. I took out the spacer and tried to center the magnet. I didn't put anything in the space, but will if I leave it this way. However, I got called away before I could try it, so it was a bout an hour before I got to try it out. I couldn't really tell much difference, but it's kind of hard with that much time between. with light dirt, the E and A string seem kind of mushy, and I don't remember that from before I did this.

I think the next thing I'll try before I buy something new is swapping the A2 magnet from a Custom Custom into this pickup. If I like it I can always get another A2.
 
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This may sound crazy but if you want an A2 with a good low end presence you might want to look into the el diablo or the Gibson Iommi......I have an SG with the Gibbys in it and it can definately do the blues as well as the metal.....
 
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They're really two completely different pickups. The Air Zone is a Tone Zone except with a seemingly darker quality. It has ample presence, but at first impression sounds pretty dark like the Air Norton. The highs are airy and the lows are hollow and woody. The Tone Zone has kind of an 80's thing going in the upper mids and treble but with a substantial bass and low mid.

Some people crap all over the Tone Zone, so those comments stand out, but most people like it. The TZ has a unique tone and a lot of versatility even though it's fairly hot. I compared it to a JB in the same guitar, same amp and record and mic settings. Most people thought the Tone Zone was the JB and were surprised that the TZ sounded as good in comparison. It's a fine pickup and I'm glad Dimarzio continues making it.

The AT-1 is an all together different pickup. It's kind of a cross between an Air Norton and a Norton. It also has really cool mids going on like the Norton, but not as bright as the Norton can be. What I mean is that it agrees with a greater variety of tonewoods. The Norton can sometimes be picky. However, I still favor the Norton because it has the most amazing mids and a spongy, lively attack.

The Breed is a bit of a departure. Thick as it is, but not overbearing or muddy. The midrange is quite prominent, but shifted more center than the Norton and AT-1. Depending on your guitar, that can sometimes be overbearing. It's a bit smooth, but still punchy and cuts through a mix.

The AT-1 is one of the best Les Paul pickups I have tried. It's something that is hard to explain but anyone who has tried it 99.999 percent of the time will praise the AT-1 in a Les Paul. As far as I'm concerned, Andy Timmons needs to pick up a Les Paul with an AT-1 and PAF Pro.

That's my 2 cents.

I have this old clip of the Norton that I did at home at low volumes. It sounded pretty good in my opinion.

Dimarzio Norton & PAF 36th neck
 
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Between the Air Zone or the AT-1, what do you think would work best in the bridge of a PRS Custom 24?
 
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Dimarzio putting "PAF" in descriptions of their high output pickups is the biggest spread of misinformation ever...
 
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Nice tone & playing, UMD!

Do you think the 36th neck is a good complement to the Norton? Did you use an LP for that clip?

I used a alder strat. It starts off with the Norton and then I switch to the PAF36th around :31. The strat I used was pretty bright so it sounds a bit bright in this clip going through my DSL50 at low volume, but in a regular strat, Ibanez, and even better - Les Paul, it's perfect.

I think the PAF 36th is a great pickup to go with the Norton because it's not as dark as the Air Norton and has a lot more vintage vibe. The Norton is not a hi-fi sounding pickup. It's a lot like a Custom Custom in the upper mids, a JB in treble, and an AT-1 in low mids and bass. I think most people consider it kind of like an EVH type pickup.
 
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Putting a 470k resistor from the Atomic II to ground really helped a lot. Fattened things up nicely. Then I swapped in an A2 magnet, and that smoothed things out a bit more. It seemed to work pretty well at rehearsal tonight. I'm going to give it a try at the show this weekend and see if it will work, or if I need to get one of the DiMarzio's to try out.
 
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Here we are a year later and I want to give a huge thank you to those that suggested Breeds. I recently got a Breed set and they are exactly what this guitar needed. It sounds huge, warm and clear. They have taken this guitar from being one I used for a few songs to one I could use all night. The original pickups didn't sound good clean, but the Breeds work clean or dirty and sounds great with the coils split. The Breed neck was a nice surprise. Nice and clear, not muddy. I'm not much of a hot pickup guy, so I set them lower than usual and they sound really sweet.
 
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