Compared My Fender Cyber Twin To My Vox Valvetronix

STRATDELUXER97

STRATDELUXER97

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Here's what I'm finding....The Fender CT does the BF Fender stuff really nice and very close to what a BF Fender should sound like...I own a 66 Pro Reverb,and a 67 Deluxe and the CT nails the tones nicely with the difference being the 2x12s and the cabinet..The CT has a looser overall feel in the clean tones...The CT overall I feel does the whole Fender clean tone thing really well and it's a loud powerfull amp....The CT allows you to rub up with alot of great Fender tones,like the 58,59,60 Tweed Bassmans,Vibrolux,Deluxe,Bandmaster,and even the little champ and Princeton tones..The Princeton tones are really good! I don't have to use an external eq with the CT at all,but I do use a GE-7 in the loop of the Vox to help the Marshall presets out...

Through the same cabinet,the Vox does the Marshall/British tone crunch thing better and it keeps the overall tone alot tighter and punchier..The Vox also has the AC30 models which the CT will never be able to touch in my opinion and it's set up only to do class A/B tones...The Valvetronix has the correct feel that I Like when grinding on these British tones also...

The CT sounds a bit too loose and compressed,but I can still dial up tones that catch the "vibe" of a Marshall...The mids and highs are there,but I find I have to add some overall depth to the CT by adding some reverb or a bit of delay...The Vox sounds better dry with these tones,but the added effects is icing on the cake...

The Vox also has a great,usable Fender BF Twin tone that is tight and focused and it seems like the eq is great on this model also...

Both amps are great and so I'm glad to own em both instead of having to choose...Right now the Vox edges out the CT because I Lean alot on the Marshall type tones....

The Cyber Twin is alot deeper in it's adjustments and you can get as deep as you want or just plug in and dial the knobs up...The CT is also loaded with alot of internal effects that the Vox lacks...
John
 
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I don't have a ton of hours on the Fender "cyber" models, but I basically have to agree with ya John. The Fender does fender better, but thats about it, and it's not THAT much better than the Vox.

I've been a/b ing my MESA w/ a power brake against my little VT30 for the past couple days, and while the MESA certainly is more tubey-smooth and has better touch dynamics/feel under the fingers, the difference is not THAT significant.

Due to a recent move, I'm actually (GASP) may have to sell the MESA and get an ADT60. The MESA has to be run up pretty loud and just doesnt sound very good with the brake (sigh)....which my neghbors do not appreciate whereas the VOX sounds much better at lower volume levels...which my neighbors DO appreciate :D

I hate having to grow up and be practical ;) :laugh2:
 
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STRATDELUXER97 said:
Just thought it would help some prospective buyers of either of these 2 great amps?
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Moddeling it's getting better and better this days... Do you think a tube amp it's still a better buy? Or Digital it's ready to take its place?
 
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Breogan said:
Moddeling it's getting better and better this days... Do you think a tube amp it's still a better buy? Or Digital it's ready to take its place?
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I used to be a total tube amp snob and I was very closed minded when the first Line 6 stuff came out years ago...I had a Flextone II but I returned it because it didn't cut right...I needed an amp that could give me the versatility and flexibility of many different tones and effects...One of the Fender reps at the time was at Mars Music and overheard a conversation between myself and one of the sales guys about the Line 6 product..He pulled me aside and began telling me about this new amp Fender was coming out with called the "Cyber Twin"...He told me to wait and that this was going to be the amp to get...Well....This was 2001 and I bought one and I Love it...

My mindset today with any amp(Tube,solid state,modeling,etc..)is that I stay open minded..If I can plug in and get inspired or hear some great tones from a modeling amp or whatever amp for that matter,and those tones work for me,then I'm sold on it...See I still have my old Fender and Marshall tube amps,but I'm so much enjoying the new technology also...And yes,the gap is narrowing more and more between pure tube and modeling,especially in the "feel"..The feel is what sold me on the Vox Valvetronix head....

What's wrong with paying $600 for the Vox Valvetronix amp and having all soughts of cool amp models,built in effects,the feel,and just an overall great looking and great sounding amp? Plus...The amp is worth the money just for it's AC15 and AC30 tones...

Just stay open minded and remember this quote...

"IF it sounds good,it is good"....It has to sound just as good to you next month as it does today though...Both my CT and the Vox do this...My CT has been a loyal friend since 2001.... :dance:
 
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JeffB said:
I don't have a ton of hours on the Fender "cyber" models, but I basically have to agree with ya John. The Fender does fender better, but thats about it, and it's not THAT much better than the Vox.

I've been a/b ing my MESA w/ a power brake against my little VT30 for the past couple days, and while the MESA certainly is more tubey-smooth and has better touch dynamics/feel under the fingers, the difference is not THAT significant.

Due to a recent move, I'm actually (GASP) may have to sell the MESA and get an ADT60. The MESA has to be run up pretty loud and just doesnt sound very good with the brake (sigh)....which my neghbors do not appreciate whereas the VOX sounds much better at lower volume levels...which my neighbors DO appreciate :D

I hate having to grow up and be practical ;) :laugh2:
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You absolutely won't be sorry you bought the Vox AD60 mp brother! I feel like I have pretty good ears and I love the tones I can coax from my own Vox head,plus I've used it at home and with my loud band quite a bit....It's very cool that I can set the amp's output for either 30 watts or 60 watts and have plenty of volume and cut,but take the amp home and use the 15 watt or 1 watt setting and wank in my music room....You lose the sense of speaker movement and air,but the amp still retains it's overall tone...I absolutely love this Vox...I Love seeing my vintage tube amps sitting here all pretty at home,plus they are collectables,but the Vox and my CT are the real workhorses these days...
 
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john, you should try out the cyber twin SE, it's a lot better than the first one IMO
 
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drew_half_empty said:
john, you should try out the cyber twin SE, it's a lot better than the first one IMO
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I Have and it's not actually not "alot" better than the original series...They've added more gain for the metal gain whore guys,and some extra effects,and speaker out jacks(Which I already added to mine)...I'm perfectly happy with mine and I've had it since 2001,plus I Like the cosmetics better on mine than on the new one..Mine looks like a BF Fender...I've always been very happy with the tone I've been able to get from this amp...The tone is in our hands anyway! :13: :wink:

Let's just say,I wouldn't sell my amp for cheap to turn around and basically buy the same amp with a bit of extras... :smack: :laugh2:
 
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i actually found the modeled tones to be a lot closer on the old fenders but i guess its all in the ears
 
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John,
Tell me about your 67 Deluxe. Is it a SF or a BF?? How does it sound and what mods have you done to it??
 
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It's taken digital quite awhile to get to a point where it sounds good. I think I like the Vox and L6 Vetta stuff the best, although I prefer modeling heads over combos.

I'll always be a huge fan of tube amps, but a few years ago when I was considering getting a POD or Vox Tonelab, I saw the heads and realized they're basically the same thing, only I could use them as a direct recorder OR practice amp. I may as well get the one that covers more ground, right?

My opinion on good modeling amps is that they can replace a tube amp in a low volume scenario, but the tube amp still dominates in the high volume applications.
Also, you can only do a proper comparison between tube amps and modeling amps when you level the playing field by giving them both the benefit of a top quality speaker cabinet. That's why I'll only buy the head versions of modeling amps in the future. I really like my Vox AD60, and play through it everyday, but I'm looking forward to what modeling amps will offer in the years to come. Like the Vetta 4 or 5!
Or, when they start making modeling/tube hybrids that blow away 'all tube' amps.
If that day comes, we'll have some amazing amps out there! It's a lofty goal, but when guys like the engineers at Line 6 or Korg put their heads together with guys like Mesa's Randall Smith or Reinhold Bogner, we may see the birth of unbelievable amps!
 
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drew_half_empty said:
i actually found the modeled tones to be a lot closer on the old fenders but i guess its all in the ears
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You really have to turn some knobs and spend some quality time with the CT to unlock the amp's potential...You also have to get the master volume up to over 3 to get the amp to move some air and sound right..The Fender tones in the CT are what the amp is all about and was designed to do,but it does it very well....I Like to use a great clean BF tone in the CT and just use some of my modded pedals in front for my gained tones...Last night I redialed up a very good Marshall Plexi type tone that I Liked alot....
 
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Bludave said:
John,
Tell me about your 67 Deluxe. Is it a SF or a BF?? How does it sound and what mods have you done to it??
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Hello Dave....BF 67 Fender Deluxe Reverb...It's all stock except for reverb on both channels but it's been recapped and been babied....LOL


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Gearjoneser said:
It's taken digital quite awhile to get to a point where it sounds good. I think I like the Vox and L6 Vetta stuff the best, although I prefer modeling heads over combos.

I'll always be a huge fan of tube amps, but a few years ago when I was considering getting a POD or Vox Tonelab, I saw the heads and realized they're basically the same thing, only I could use them as a direct recorder OR practice amp. I may as well get the one that covers more ground, right?

My opinion on good modeling amps is that they can replace a tube amp in a low volume scenario, but the tube amp still dominates in the high volume applications.
Also, you can only do a proper comparison between tube amps and modeling amps when you level the playing field by giving them both the benefit of a top quality speaker cabinet. That's why I'll only buy the head versions of modeling amps in the future. I really like my Vox AD60, and play through it everyday, but I'm looking forward to what modeling amps will offer in the years to come. Like the Vetta 4 or 5!
Or, when they start making modeling/tube hybrids that blow away 'all tube' amps.
If that day comes, we'll have some amazing amps out there! It's a lofty goal, but when guys like the engineers at Line 6 or Korg put their heads together with guys like Mesa's Randall Smith or Reinhold Bogner, we may see the birth of unbelievable amps!
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The Vox has the feel and it sounds great at high levels and also has the sustain and great tone of some of my best sounding amps....The thing is though,most tube amps are one trick ponies and I Like having the different amp models and the built in effects,besides where can we crank up our 50 or 100 watt Marshalls? Not in small clubs we can't? The modeling amps,for me,is practical and realistic and it'll get the job done..I've been using only my Cyber Twin when we play out now since 2001 and it's great..Players want to know what those extra lights are on the control panel on a BF amp? They can't believe the amp doesn't have any tubes in the back and yet the tone is really convincing...This type of stuff happens all the time...
 
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STRATDELUXER97 said:
Hello Dave....BF 67 Fender Deluxe Reverb...It's all stock except for reverb on both channels but it's been recapped and been babied....LOL


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Are you sure you prefer the CT? :32:

:D
 
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