Cons of a 2x12

[PUCKBOY99]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

Yeah, to echo what Scott said....I had a Mojo Bluesbreaker extension cab & made my own back panels. The thing could boom with the best of 'em too.

Try this with your 4x12: get some MDF from Home Depot. Lay the back panel of your 4x12 on the MDF & screw the panel to the MDF. That will be your template to make some back panels & open things up a bit.

Wire up 2 speakers & see what happens with things open at the top, the middle or the bottom.........

 

[greendy123]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

Yeah, with 2-12's you really have to buy the best, or you're just wasting your money. The ones that tend to sound the best are the slightly taller ones with a panel above the speakers. The small and compact ones like the Marshall 1936 and Mesa, just seem a little lacking.

I think you're thinking about the Marshall 1922 that is more compact like the Mesa 2x12's, the Marshall 1936 I have can fit a full size head and is about 3/4 the size of a half stack. It sounds very good with bass because it is a closed back and oversized cab design. Well I think of one major con in 2x12 if they are a quality cab, the problem is speaker configs, you can't use 2 greenbacks with 100w head, but you could also get another 2x12 cab if you really wanted to do that.

 

[Skarekrough]

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Cons of a 2x12?

Your chiropractor will only be able to send his kid to a private college versus the ivy league college with the 4x12

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

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Sorry guys, closed back only! Can't do what I'm doing with open backs.


I'd disconnect the bottom two speakers, but it's an issue of size as well. After hearing back from some buddies who've made that switch, and giving everything some thought, I'm going to snag the Mesa 2x12.

 

[jeremy]

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i used to have a 1960 w/ v30's. i have a fender vibroking 2x12 cab now which is pretty big 22"x25x12" or so and probably almost 60 lbs so it isnt tiny but ill never need another cab ever. closed back, one g12h and one v30 loud, tight, focused with lots of meat.
i got mine used for like $300 or so, its worth it to try one

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

Sorry guys, closed back only! Can't do what I'm doing with open backs.


I'd disconnect the bottom two speakers, but it's an issue of size as well. After hearing back from some buddies who've made that switch, and giving everything some thought, I'm going to snag the Mesa 2x12.

I think your rig will look best with the matching cab. I know you'd like the sound of the 4-12 more, but if it's volume and size is too much, the Mesa 2-12 would be your best bet.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

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I think your rig will look best with the matching cab. I know you'd like the sound of the 4-12 more, but if it's volume and size is too much, the Mesa 2-12 would be your best bet.

That was also part od the deciding factor... the Mesa on Mesa combo just looks so damn cool! I also have a friend who went from 2 2x12's to a 4x12 (all Mesa), and said the only difference is volume.

 

[The Golden Boy]

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This is my theory. If you accept the 2x12 for itself instead of a mini 4x12, You'll probably be happy. I've owned 2 2x12s. I've really liked neither of them. But then again, I wanted them to sound like a 4x12, but littler.

 

[iekobrid]

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I've been pondering the same sort of thing, though on a smaller scale. Specifically, the pros & cons of a 2x12 versus two 1x12s.

I had my eye on a used Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 for $199, but 99% of my guitar time is spent practicing or recording at home these days so the sort of projection the G-Flex gets would be unecessary, if not inconvenient (when trying to mic it). Also the sucker is HUGE. Noticeably larger than any 2x12 combo amp I've ever seen in person. I would need to get rid of some furniture to accomodate it.

So now I'm waffling between a vertical half-slant 2x12 or two independent 12s.

2x1x12 PROs

* better stereo spread potential
* I don't need to have both cabinets sitting out in the way all the time (tuck one in a closet, pull it out as needed)
* I could have one closed back and one open for variety

2x1x12 CONs

* phase issues if they're rotated to face each other too much
* less 'oomph' than a single 2x12?
* [your con here]

 

[aleclee]

If you choose the right 2x12

If you choose the right 2x12

All u lose is kewl p0ints 4 not h4ving a half st@ck.

 

[Marcel]

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hehe
though a mesa "1/4-stack" looks quite cool too!! *edit* this post is contradictory to my last on this thread lol

 

[aleclee]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

* [your con here]

This is the "lather, rinse, repeat" part of the discussion.

The issues with a pair of 1x12s vs a 2x12 are pretty much a rerun of those with a pair of 2x12s vs a 4x12. The 1x12s that I like are more than half as large as my preferred 2x12s so that's a lot more stuff to schlep around both in terms of weight and size.

I also believe that if you want an aggressive sound, a 2x12 is about the minimum size to provide the "oomph" that many of us seek. Simply put, I don't think too many 1x12s thump and those that do are about the same size as a smallish 2x12.

 

[Ironjose]

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how about the Carvin´s MTS 2x12 cab, i read that they aren´t that bad at all, i´m going to try one soon, i´ll tell you what´s the deal with it... i also like the low end and clear sound.
JJ

 

[Scott_F]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

I used to have an industrial looking black carpet, metal open grille Avatar 2x12 that had PLENTY of oomph! It had a V30 and a G12H30 in it.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

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Jesus... right when I'm ready to sell some stuff off and get some cool stuff, my band resolves all conflict and finds a singer, overnight. Weird ****!

Time to save for a Mesa 4x12 LOL.

 

[metal]

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for your house get the 2x12, i have a 4x12 and its way too much , im about 9 oclock on the master and my house is shaking seriously

 

[Adam]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

Jesus... right when I'm ready to sell some stuff off and get some cool stuff, my band resolves all conflict and finds a singer, overnight. Weird ****!

Time to save for a Mesa 4x12 LOL.

haha!

I can't wait till my 2x12's come in man, I'll be sure to let you know how they sound.

Eventually I'll save up for the 4x12 when its necessary.

 

[LesStrat]

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So all of this was about band conflict?

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

Well I was downsizing because not in a band = not needing a 4x12, and the Mesa might actually sound better. I figured the band was done... no singer, I had some issues with the other guitar player on a personal level, and the drummer was heading in a different direction musically. There's nobody in the county, let alone the town, who wants to do anything similar to what I'm doing, or can do it well, so I figured: Solo project! I'd combine all the styles I love and do that all recorded, maybe do some "play to the PA" gigs or something.

Long story short, we've got at least a temporary (read: as long as we need him for) vocalist who's very good and is very well known around here, all issues resolved, and we're practicing on Sunday. LOL

 

[BigDreamer]

Re: Cons of a 2x12

bands don't need singers, just fat guitar riffs and screaming leads