Contemplating the use of a booster?

J E C

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I am curious about boosters and how they affect the sound/tone of a guitar and amp. I have a Boogie Mk5 and use channel 3 the most with the gain at between 11:00 and 1:00. I am using an Alder bodied Stat with a Rose and 59/C. In a situation like this what would most people be using a booster or distortion to achieve. I wouldn't think that it would be to distort the amp more. Would be to change/shape the tone or to distort it differently? What could I expect from using one?
I hope I have asked the right questions.
Thank you in advance! John
 
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Really, a good clean boost won't make it distort more, rather it will give you signal more punch as for leads. I recommend the Keeley Katana.
 
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I think the Mark V (and most Mesa/Boogie amps since the mid 2000's) have two separate outputs, essentially giving them a built - in lead boost. Is this not the case?
 
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if you are getting any drive whatsoever from your amp, then a boost will not only increase your guitar signal, but it will also increase the amount of distortion coming from your preamp tubes and sometimes subsequently your power amp tubes as well. The only time you will get a pure signal boost is when your amp is running completely clean and with plenty of headroom.
 
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that is correct. typically the more distorted the sound from the amp the less volume boost you will get.
 
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I think the Mark V (and most Mesa/Boogie amps since the mid 2000's) have two separate outputs, essentially giving them a built - in lead boost. Is this not the case?

Sure isnt true for the MKIV or earlier dual recs...


For the OP it depends somewhat on the boost. Some boosts are more clean boosts and others are more gainy... it depends. Ive used the old TC electronics Line driver + distortion religiously forever. Set to boost its a very clean boost that tightens up the sound adds a bit of sizzle and crunch. You have to be careful with the EQ though as it can make things sound flubby if the bass is too high.

I also have analogmans bad bob booster and its definitely got more grit to the signal even at low levels but EQ wise doesnt change the tone at all. Its a very non compressed boost but is a bit gritty...

In the past I had a Zvex sho that was a better straight clean boost, i didnt keep it because i like a bit of compression from my boosts to tighten things up...

It all just depends.. what boosts and what you want to do with it.
 
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i think nacho is talking about the solo feature on mesa's
 
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Both my mesas have solo boost features. In the end, I preferred a tube screamer with the gain down all the way and level up some for a solo boost. It affects the EQ a bit, adds a little cut and volume and a tiny bit of gain. The Mesa solo boost feature, for me, seemed more to be a straight up volume boost (in the circuit it basically acts like a second master volume) which did not color the tone much (unless, I guess if you had the amp cranked way up you might get more power tube breakup). Depending on what you want, the Mesa MKV solo feature might be fine for you.
 
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Depends on how much overloading the front end of the amp can take... past a certain point and everything gets mushy sounding and you're volume drops.

Shy of that point and you can increase harmonic content and presence.

IMHO, boosters are for getting more out of non-master volume amps or for low output instruments. The '59/Custom Hybrid isn't a low output pickup by any means.

The Bogner Harlow is a great boost for not so much adding distortion but for subtle tonal shaping.

I couldn't imagine the MKV benefitting from a clean boost or something that would add grit... and it has pretty much all the EQ you'd need for tonal shaping.

The custom wound Neve transformer with the "bloom" feature makes the Harlow stand out from the run of the mill boosters that are all largely built around existing treble boost/tube screamer designs.
 
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Thanks for the input guys. I feel I am way behind the 8 Ball with a lot of stuff concerning amps, effects and the like, so I really appreciate it!
You read about a lot of high profile players that are using amps that you know don't need a buster or overdrive/distortion/fuzz to get an over driven/saturated sound, but it seems a lot of them are using overdrives/distortions/fuzzes or a booster. I have always wondered why. I can see using them to boost the signal for a louder solo, but have wondered if there wasn't more to the story, such as to get a different tone as well for the solo or for any part even with out making it louder.
 
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Most folks using boosts into already-overdriven amps are doing it for the extra gain and compression, but without coloring their tone or from diode clipping like you would get from a distortion or overdrive pedal. By hitting the input of your amp with more clean signal, you drive the preamp harder, resulting in more drive, sustain, and a more forgiving feel. Even high-gain amps can benefit from this.

I've been having a lot of success lately with my SD Pickup Booster into both my Splawn and VHT heads. It's getting to the point where I never turn it off - it basically adds another channel to your amp for every channel you already have. If you've got a 2-channel amp, it effectively gives you 4, etc.
 
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Most folks using boosts into already-overdriven amps are doing it for the extra gain and compression, but without coloring their tone or from diode clipping like you would get from a distortion or overdrive pedal. By hitting the input of your amp with more clean signal, you drive the preamp harder, resulting in more drive, sustain, and a more forgiving feel. Even high-gain amps can benefit from this.

I've been having a lot of success lately with my SD Pickup Booster into both my Splawn and VHT heads. It's getting to the point where I never turn it off - it basically adds another channel to your amp for every channel you already have. If you've got a 2-channel amp, it effectively gives you 4, etc.
This^ though as a MkV owner I would recommend lowering the gain on the amp a little with a booster

*edit* After rereading the OP, you'd probably be fine with you gain as is.
 
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I've been using an Electro Harmonix LPB-1 for a solo boost in blues jams. My Laney LC15 is running a bit of crunch that cleans up when picking softer, or turning the guitar's vol control down. It is only 15 watts, so I can't help running with a bit of crunch in a full band.

The LPB-1 thickens the notes a bit, and adds a bit of compression, and gives a sufficient volume boost for the solo. Works like a charm.

So, it doesn't only boost the volume, but adds slightly to the other properties mentioned. That may or may not be desirable, depending on your needs.

It is a simple pedal, one knob, boost level. It's a reissue of an old circuit, and works well for me. However, there are more sophisticated models out there that may work better for others. Good luck!
 
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JEC, I have a Mark V 112 combo--and I'm really lovin' this amp.

For about 30 years now, I have used a DOD FX10 Preamp on my pedalboard to provide a slight amount of always-on boost. I have used mostly single coil guitars during this time.

Going back to circa-1979, I bought a Leo-Fender-designed Music Man Sabre II guitar which featured low-impedance pickups and an on-board preamp with active tone controls. I immediately fell in love with this guitar because of the incredible tonal versatility that the active controls offered. And with the low-noise, buffered preamp--I could drive a bunch of pedals and 100 feet of cable with no loss. My old 1960 Strat started rolling off the high end with anything more than about 12 feet of cable. So I immediately saw the benefit of the preamp, and that's when I bought the DOD, so I'd have those benefits with my other guitars. I was using a SS, non-Master Volume amp at the time and the DOD added a lot of tube-like warmth and punch to the signal. (I was also using one of the old blue MXR 10-band EQs in front of the amp for additional tone-shaping.)

And I continued to use the DOD, even after I acquired my first Mesa amp, a Mark III half-stack, in the mid 1990's. The amp seemed to respond differently with the DOD than if I had just turned the gain higher. I've kept using the DOD this with all my Mesa amps. The DC-3 has Rectifier-type gain, but I only run the LEAD CHANNEL GAIN on about 6; and the same for my Mark IV. The Mark IIIs typically have the GAIN at about 6-7. The Maverick is a bit of an odd-duck in the Mesa lineup, as it was designed with LESS gain in the LEAD channel, but by adding that slight bit of boost from the DOD it's back in the Mark III's ball-park.

Now, I'm not adding a lot of boost--just enough to know that it is on. There seemed to be a sweet spot of interaction. I must admit that I don't play metal, or generally anything with massive gain, but I like that smooth sustain of say, Carlos Santana. And with the old Strat, and now my G&L Legacys, I'm adding a bit of mid-range and not scooping the tone with the EQ in a deep V setting. And with the Mesas, I'm using the boost on both, or all three, channels.

Except...

A few years ago, I re-discovered the joys of a Les Paul--a 2HB guitar. With my old SS SUNN amp, I was never a fan of HB pickups. But times change, and I got back into tube amps. I started performing different material; I started playing with a band. I needed some different tones than I could get with the Legacys; certain songs just sounded better with a 2HB guitar. I started out with a MIJ 335 clone, then moved to the solid-body Ibanez GR-520 Ghostriders. Somewhere, somehow...I bought a pair of Les Paul 1960 Classics, but soon discovered that those pickups just had WAY too much output for the gain of the Mesa amps. Loved the tones, but it would start getting blatty and woofy with too much gain. A set of Seths and set of Antiquitys solved that problem in those two guitars, and my love affair with the LP was on. A G&L Legacy will always be my Number ONE, but I have acquired several more LPs (and 335s), and I love their tones.

In a four hour set with my band, I will use a 2HB for about 12-15 songs, depending on the gig. But, the issue becomes, "How do I deal with the different outputs? How do I even out the volumes and tones of a vintage strat single coil pickup versus a vintage HB?"

And again, I find that my playing style is evolving to meet the demands of needing to use multiple guitars. I don't typically need that extra boost with the gain of the HB pickups into the Mesa amps, but it's still handy with the Legacy's single coils. And since the boost doesn't drastically change the tone, just the volume--it's really noticeable when I change guitars. (I don't reset the tones on my amp for the various guitars.) So, ON for SCs and OFF for HB. And I have the option then of getting even more gain with the 2HB, if and when I need it. And, I'm also using a slight bit of compression/limiting from a Boss CS-3 on certain songs.

Enter the Mark V. The Mark V is something different for me, and I'm having to adjust. The gain available from this amp is way more than I would ever use, so I'm using very moderate gain in the CRUNCH and LEAD channels. With the three channels, and each channel having three modes, it really is like having nine different amps. I'm discovering that in those two channels, flipping one of mode switches if very handy when I change guitars. And the SOLO switch is great--it's whatever setting I'm using--just a little louder, and the amount of boost can be varied. It's a very nifty feature.

I'm still mapping out how to use the Mark V. I think I've read the Owner's Manual about five times, and I still refer to it. I think each guitarist is going to have a different approach to using it. Some will use all three channels; some only one or two. I'm thinking about setting up the lower-gain CRUNCH channel to use with my HB guitars, and optimize the LEAD channel for my SC guitars. Some guys will be changing channels and modes on every song; some will use the RONCO method. They'll find the sweet spots and then "SET IT--AND FORGET IT!"

But at the end of the day, even with all of that gain on tap, the little DOD preamp is not coming off my board. I will continue to use it with my other amps, of course. And the reality of it is that, it helps my pedalboard perform better....a hotter signal, buffered output, and a better signal-to-noise ratio. Those are all tangible benefits, no matter what amp. It works for me, and my style. YMMV.

Some guys like that "slightly dirty" boost of a pedal like the Tube Screamer or the new Soul Food and that's fine. The Soul Food is pretty transparent; many of the others will change your EQ with a mid-boost. Others don't need the distortion, so they get a clean boost like my old DOD. Most of the basic boost pedals on the market are pretty reasonably priced; I think you can find BBE Boosta Grandes, et. al., for less than $75. A clean boost is not a complicated circuit, so it's not a huge cash outlay.

Do you NEED a clean boost with a Mark V? You don't mention which MODE you use in the LEAD Channel of the Mark V, but with your GAIN knob in the 11-1 o'clock position, you should still have quite a bit of gain left to use, even in the EXTREME mode. You have the SOLO mode to provide a foot-switchable boost for those time when you want a little "more". and even in the CLEAN channel, FAT mode is pretty darn fat, and the TWEED mode is just plain ballsy--I think TWEED is the best classic rock crunch tone of the amp.

So, since you're apparently not needing a huge variation of tones from clean to extreme and living mostly in the LEAD channel; and you're not going back and forth between several different guitars with different pickups and output levels; or going from be-bop jazz to '50s oldies to Megadeth in one set...I'd say no, you don't NEED a clean boost pedal.

But down the road, it could prove to be a very valuable tool. How you use it will be something you'll have to find for yourself. There are 1,352 gee-tar pickers in Nashville as the song goes, and that means about 2.5 million ways of getting the job done. No "right" way, or wrong; you just have to figure out what unique way works for you.

Best wishes.

Bill
 
Re: Contemplating the use of a booster?

I am curious about boosters and how they affect the sound/tone of a guitar and amp. I have a Boogie Mk5 and use channel 3 the most with the gain at between 11:00 and 1:00. I am using an Alder bodied Stat with a Rose and 59/C. In a situation like this what would most people be using a booster or distortion to achieve. I wouldn't think that it would be to distort the amp more. Would be to change/shape the tone or to distort it differently? What could I expect from using one?
I hope I have asked the right questions.
Thank you in advance! John

A clean boost into a dirty channel 3 will function just like using a higher output pickup. You will get more compression and distortion. I use one with my Roadster for exactly that reason.
 
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I'm still mapping out how to use the Mark V. I think I've read the Owner's Manual about five times, and I still refer to it. I think each guitarist is going to have a different approach to using it. Some will use all three channels; some only one or two. I'm thinking about setting up the lower-gain CRUNCH channel to use with my HB guitars, and optimize the LEAD channel for my SC guitars. Some guys will be changing channels and modes on every song; some will use the RONCO method. They'll find the sweet spots and then "SET IT--AND FORGET IT!"
I've had mine a few years now and it seems like every couple of months my settings change and I find incredible new tones from it, then I threw a set of el34s in it and got a ton of new killer tones.
 
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either a volume boost, or color your tone or affect your distortion. i use tubescreamers or t-rex luxury drive. either on a clean amp to get bluesy or a high gain amp to improve solos
 
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I've had my Mark IV for five years, have tried 3 different ODs in front of it (Maxon OD808, FullDrive 2, Route 66), more recently a Fulltone FatBoost 3. I spent a long time exclusively using the LEAD channel as my main gain sound, and when I stuck one of those ODs in front of it set to low gain/high volume, I definitely got a bit more high end presence, less low end, and a more fluid feel. I used them for that effect purely on solos.

Fast forward my evolution with this amp and RHYTHM 2 is my go-to heavy sound now with generally less gain. I still use LEAD when I need to breathe fire through a solo. My FatBoost has been on for the better part of 2 years, and while it's maybe set for a little more than a clean boost, it thickens up every channel but makes the whole amp more controllable and dynamic, and I can back off the amp's gain just a touch. There's a bigger bass response, more hair on the attack like an almost scratchier (but pleasing) high end, and any guitar's volume controls have a wider usable range for me. I could go from warm clean to heavy rhythm tone before on this channel, but with the FatBoost on I get a little more out of the entire setup, and a touch more volume when the guitar's control is almost off.

Now that I've rambled, to answer your question: I use it both to shape the tone and distort my amp different all at once. It's become a key part of my sound. It doesn't matter if I'm using my Comanche or the HB guitars, I still feel the difference in pickups but that little extra from the FatBoost is always there, and I definitely notice it when I turn the pedal off. In your situation I would probably use an always-on boost like I described to help juice up your 59/Custom. If you find the right pedal, it may just become that essential piece for any amp you plug into.
 
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I just want to reiterate what the other guys have said. The master volume on an amp is usually put between the preamp and the power amp so that you can get some heat and distortion out of the preamp tubes without making your ears bleed. I like a non-mv amp because the pre-amp and the power amp get cooking simultaneously and there's this symbiotic relationship between the two that I think you lose some of with a master volume amp. That being said there's nothing wrong with a master volume amp and some of the my favorite sounds ever come from master volume amps.

A booster comes into this equation like so: a booster hitting the front end of your amp will push the preamp tubes, whose output into the power amp is controlled via the master volume control. So a boost with a master volume amp will increase the gain but you won't get a huge jump in volume because of that master volume control. This is great if all you're really looking for is a pedal to change the EQ of your sound.

For a non-master amp, the efficacy of a boost pedal will depend on how loud your amp is already. Non-master amps get louder significantly until the point at which they distort. At that point you have diminishing returns to scale because any extra input gets compressed (as the power tubes are already past the point where they can continue to amplify the signal efficiently.) so the purpose of a boost there is really just to add some more drive and compression. The compression is awesome because notes leap off the fingerboard but the benefit there is the feel of the thing rather than the volume.

Treble boosters are slightly different in that they amplify the treble frequencies, which take less power to amplify (in part because our ears are more sensitive to those frequencies, and in part because of some other causal voodoo I do not understand) and cut the bass frequencies, which take more power to amplify. They therefore do increase the perceived volume of the amp but I'm not sure whether they actually increase the output of said amplifier. The tubescreamer-as-a-lead-boost is kind of a similar principal, except that the circuit itself introduces some compression vs. just compressing the preamp and power amp harder. Additionally there is this thing called output transformer compression that's supposed to be pretty cool.

Some boosters give a wonderful character to the sound - things like the fulltone fatboost, keeley katana, xotic EP boost, and zvex SHO all add a character to the sound that is pleasing to the ear. I've been led to believe this is because the Jfets and mosfets used in those circuits don't exhibit a linear response to input, but whether or not that's true I have no idea. If you play fender style guitars you'll probably favor the jfet/EP style boosts as they're darker and if you prefer gibsons you'll probably like the mosfet/SHO style boosts better as they're brighter. That's not a hard and fast rule though.

All in all if you're considering a booster pedal as a lead boost it's worth exploring compressors and EQ pedals too as there is some overlap in functionality. A tubescreamer does a little bit of both and I think that's part of why it sounds so good for a boost. The Klon is obviously famous for this as well, but the character of the pedal varies somewhat with the amount of gain you have dialed in so it really is a matter of finding a 'sweet spot' and just leaving it there. A pedal like the prince of tone doesn't have the compression or gain of either of those but it does have a very pleasing character and stacks very well with just about anything.

Alright, that's enough blabbing. At the end of the day you really just need to try a few things out, identify what you like about those things, and then go from there.
 
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