Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups work
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DreX
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
He showed up out of the blue in the thread about single coils versus stacked humbuckers to talk up the virtues of his own product. His motives for being here are dubious at best.
Ask and thou shalt receive!
http://lawingmusicalproducts.com/dr-lawings-blog/
I think is a pleasure that somebody so knowledgeable and inventive would come share a part of his work with us.
HTH,
He showed up out of the blue in the thread about single coils versus stacked humbuckers to talk up the virtues of his own product. His motives for being here are dubious at best.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
So what you are saying is your work isnt worthy of a patent?
And you have only purely altruistic motives is that what you are saying? That you have forsaken your crusade against cheap guitars and holy war championing pseudo science?
So what you are saying is your work isnt worthy of a patent?
And you have only purely altruistic motives is that what you are saying? That you have forsaken your crusade against cheap guitars and holy war championing pseudo science?
Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Look, I'm really not trying to be a dick here, so I'll respond courteously.
Please try some Zexcoils. I think you'll like them.
The truth is that I don't design pickups by trail and error. Quite the opposite, in fact. I have a predictive model that allows me to target performance based on pole piece material properties. You seem to agree that frequency response is important. I have a couple of vids on our YT site where I go into some detail about frequency response and at least the output of the model. Perhaps after seeing some of this you might be somewhat satisfied that there must be something behind it.
Basically, yes.
As Kojak kindly pointed out, I have a Ph.D. in Engineering from MIT. I don't like to "play that card", personally, but at least it should give you an inkling of the seriousness with which I approach scientific and engineering topics. I try to be very careful and ensure that the things I publish are accurate and supported by data. I'd rather do the diligence and write up a well considered treatment of the subject rather than spewing some random, spur of the moment stuff in a forum thread.
I also want to do it in a controlled environment. My model is not consistent with most of what you will read on the internet about what is really important about how pickups work. That's one of the reasons I really want to frame the discussion, and carefully set the stage for the data and my explanation of it.
I don't want to be arguing with people about whether or not you can tell something about pickups by measuring frequency response, for example. Of course you can. I know you can, that's a given. There are a lot of people on these forums who are convinced they know how pickups work, and guess what: they don't. The tend to be very vocal time wasters. It's very easy to get caught up in these things (see!) and feel like you have to "set the record straight".
Basically my intent is to write up and relay something about what I know of pickup function. I know the "record is straight". I don't feel the need to have an exchange. The format is more one of a lecture than a discussion. I'll tell you (some of) what I know. You can choose to incorporate it into your thinking or not.
It may spark discussions that I'll want to participate in, but that remains to be seen.
Look, I'm really not trying to be a dick here, so I'll respond courteously.
Please try some Zexcoils. I think you'll like them.
The truth is that I don't design pickups by trail and error. Quite the opposite, in fact. I have a predictive model that allows me to target performance based on pole piece material properties. You seem to agree that frequency response is important. I have a couple of vids on our YT site where I go into some detail about frequency response and at least the output of the model. Perhaps after seeing some of this you might be somewhat satisfied that there must be something behind it.
Basically, yes.
As Kojak kindly pointed out, I have a Ph.D. in Engineering from MIT. I don't like to "play that card", personally, but at least it should give you an inkling of the seriousness with which I approach scientific and engineering topics. I try to be very careful and ensure that the things I publish are accurate and supported by data. I'd rather do the diligence and write up a well considered treatment of the subject rather than spewing some random, spur of the moment stuff in a forum thread.
I also want to do it in a controlled environment. My model is not consistent with most of what you will read on the internet about what is really important about how pickups work. That's one of the reasons I really want to frame the discussion, and carefully set the stage for the data and my explanation of it.
I don't want to be arguing with people about whether or not you can tell something about pickups by measuring frequency response, for example. Of course you can. I know you can, that's a given. There are a lot of people on these forums who are convinced they know how pickups work, and guess what: they don't. The tend to be very vocal time wasters. It's very easy to get caught up in these things (see!) and feel like you have to "set the record straight".
Basically my intent is to write up and relay something about what I know of pickup function. I know the "record is straight". I don't feel the need to have an exchange. The format is more one of a lecture than a discussion. I'll tell you (some of) what I know. You can choose to incorporate it into your thinking or not.
It may spark discussions that I'll want to participate in, but that remains to be seen.
Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
If you read my post, you'll see that I answered the question.
You may not be satisfied due to the lack of supporting data, but I did answer the question as to the root cause of the performance difference between stacked pickups and conventional singles.
I also injected some data-based comments about why my design is less lossy than a stacked design, yes.
I think that's a fair trade, don't you?
Basically, the thread came up in a google search of "Zexcoil", so I looked at it. I thought, "I can contribute something here", so I did.
If you read my post, you'll see that I answered the question.
You may not be satisfied due to the lack of supporting data, but I did answer the question as to the root cause of the performance difference between stacked pickups and conventional singles.
I also injected some data-based comments about why my design is less lossy than a stacked design, yes.
I think that's a fair trade, don't you?
Basically, the thread came up in a google search of "Zexcoil", so I looked at it. I thought, "I can contribute something here", so I did.
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Edgecrusher
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Thank you for doing so... Please dont let the rabble keep you from contributing further if you so desire.
Thank you for doing so... Please dont let the rabble keep you from contributing further if you so desire.
Snake Aces
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Seriously Zexcoil, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I think you would find most of us around here are very appreciative of your contribution.
Seriously Zexcoil, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I think you would find most of us around here are very appreciative of your contribution.
DreX
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Good thing nobody is making any assumptions then.
Good thing nobody is making any assumptions then.
Snake Aces
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Maybe I'm blind but I saw some assumptions being made.
Maybe I'm blind but I saw some assumptions being made.
LtKojak
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Google for the three patents he's earned, two in 2009 and one in 2011 and check'em out.
Be prepared for the swooshing sound going over you head!
I kid! I kid!
His name is Dr. Andrew Scott Lawing.
Google for the three patents he's earned, two in 2009 and one in 2011 and check'em out.
Be prepared for the swooshing sound going over you head!
I kid! I kid!
Snake Aces
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Haha, it's so true though. Way beyond my comprehension level!
His name is Dr. Andrew Scott Lawing.
Google for the three patents he's earned, two in 2009 and one in 2011 and check'em out.
Be prepared for the swooshing sound going over you head!
I kid! I kid!
Haha, it's so true though. Way beyond my comprehension level!
DreX
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
I'm trying to be courteous too. Surely you're aware of the big problem that exists on forums, elsewhere if not here, with small guitar accessory operations pitching their good in an unsolicited manner, so we can't just pretend that's not a potential issue.
That's great, but I'm not asking about the "knowns", I'm asking about things that are less known:
Just a few days ago we had a long thread about different AlNiCo grades, and when the question came to what makes any grade of AlNiCo sound like it does, it was actually LtKojak who put forth that you'd need an understanding of quantum physics to answer that question, and so if you have it somewhat figured as claimed above, that would be information we'd all love to have.
The problem is that "what you know" and "Zex Coil sales pitch" are essentially indistinguishable. I don't mean that to be rude, that's the reality of the situation.
I'm trying to be courteous too. Surely you're aware of the big problem that exists on forums, elsewhere if not here, with small guitar accessory operations pitching their good in an unsolicited manner, so we can't just pretend that's not a potential issue.
That's great, but I'm not asking about the "knowns", I'm asking about things that are less known:
Just a few days ago we had a long thread about different AlNiCo grades, and when the question came to what makes any grade of AlNiCo sound like it does, it was actually LtKojak who put forth that you'd need an understanding of quantum physics to answer that question, and so if you have it somewhat figured as claimed above, that would be information we'd all love to have.
The problem is that "what you know" and "Zex Coil sales pitch" are essentially indistinguishable. I don't mean that to be rude, that's the reality of the situation.
DreX
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
It doesn't matter, neither his patents nor his credentials serve to answer the questions at hand.
His name is Dr. Andrew Scott Lawing.
Google for the three patents he's earned, two in 2009 and one in 2011 and check'em out.
Be prepared for the swooshing sound going over you head!
I kid! I kid!
It doesn't matter, neither his patents nor his credentials serve to answer the questions at hand.
GilmourD
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
If this unwarranted interrogation of somebody who has come here in what appears to be good faith continues I will shut this down. Sometimes people know more than you, DreX. You learn by asking nicely, not interrogating them like they committed a crime.
You already have a PM. If you take issue with this reply to that and not here.
Dr. Lawing, on behalf of the SDUGF, I would like to apologize for how you've been treated. As you can see from the vast majority of people here we're VERY interested in the workings of your pickups and the science of pickups in general. Whatever you would be willing to share without giving away your confidential secrets would be extremely appreciated.
Maybe if you ask nicely he'll answer.
If this unwarranted interrogation of somebody who has come here in what appears to be good faith continues I will shut this down. Sometimes people know more than you, DreX. You learn by asking nicely, not interrogating them like they committed a crime.
You already have a PM. If you take issue with this reply to that and not here.
Dr. Lawing, on behalf of the SDUGF, I would like to apologize for how you've been treated. As you can see from the vast majority of people here we're VERY interested in the workings of your pickups and the science of pickups in general. Whatever you would be willing to share without giving away your confidential secrets would be extremely appreciated.
Snake Aces
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Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
Not sure why you are making that information public, but since you did make it public I would say you deserved it. The way you are cornering Zexcoil is not good for the forum and certainly not a good way to make a new member feel comfortable here.
Not sure why you are making that information public, but since you did make it public I would say you deserved it. The way you are cornering Zexcoil is not good for the forum and certainly not a good way to make a new member feel comfortable here.
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: Conversation with Zexcoil regarding what is currently known about how pickups wor
After doing exactly what you were told not to do I'm closing this. Hopefully when you come back in three months you'll be nicer to people who are willing to share information when not being interrogated.
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