Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

[Ploki]

I had a P-rails/jazz bridge combo, but it didn't work at all (totally unbalanced), so I swapped the P-rails for '59 with some guy.

It was 1 conductor tho. When I converted it to 4, I decided to flip south/north poles, because I'm getting some covers and i wanted the mirrored look.

The new wiring will only use parallel/series humbucker modes, no splits. Are there any issues soundwise that can happen because i wired the bucker in reverse? (so where ground used to be is the North start (black) wire, and where hot used to be is the South End (green) wire.)

thanks.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

You don't have to swap black and green to turn the pickup around. The way it is, I believe it will be out of phase in middle position. So you'll have to swap black and green again haha. It's up to you if you want to just swap the hookup leads or go back in to the pickup and fix it.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

There shouldn't be a problem- just switch it at either end. You seem to have the skills to do this, so no worries.

 

[Ploki]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

You don't have to swap black and green to turn the pickup around. The way it is, I believe it will be out of phase in middle position. So you'll have to swap black and green again haha. It's up to you if you want to just swap the hookup leads or go back in to the pickup and fix it.

Well i figured i didn't have to, but OCD was triggered.

I didn't swap only black and green. It was bare/hot before, and I cut the middle two wires and swapped these as well.

let me explain better:
original wiring:
North pole (no screws) was HOT,
South pole (screws) was GROUND.

middle two wires were connected for series.

now:
North pole (no screws) is GREEN, middle wire coming from North pole is now RED.
South pole (screws) is BLACK, middle wire coming from South pole is now WHITE.

by my logic, north pole is now effectively south pole, and south pole is effectively north.

If i left the pickup as it was, it would be
North pole (no screws) black, middle wire white
South pole (screws) green, middle wire red.

I thought for wiring out of phase, you need to separate south wire from ground. Since I'm only using Parallel/series wiring, north(by my logic now south) will be hardsoldered to the ground, as its unnecessary for parallel wiring.

There shouldn't be a problem- just switch it at either end. You seem to have the skills to do this, so no worries.

Do i even need to switch it now at all?

I'll be installing terminals on the guitar instead of soldering anyway, so swapping wires shouldn't be much of a problem. I was worried if mirroring pickup coils on the pickup itself could be an issue.

 

[gregory]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

Simply turning the entire pickup around in the guitar won't reverse the polarity of the coils.

If you didn't take the magnet out of the pickup, flip it and put it back in then there's no reason to change the wiring.

 

[Ploki]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

Simply turning the entire pickup around in the guitar won't reverse the polarity of the coils.

If you didn't take the magnet out of the pickup, flip it and put it back in then there's no reason to change the wiring.

oh. (right)

so i did nothing but annoy myself with wire colors by wiring it this way? (as if North coil was south coil and viceversa?)

maybe the better question is:
when wiring pickup in series, does it matter which coil is connected to hot and which is ground? and the better question, does it matter when using both pickups together?

should i just go back and rewire it as it used to be and just flip it around in the guitar? (from OCD perspective, considering I have all 4 wires coming out and know where they connect, I can just connect it the opposite color code as it should be)

 

[gregory]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

when wiring pickup in series, does it matter which coil is connected to hot and which is ground?

No.

and the better question, does it matter when using both pickups together?

So long as you didn't inadvertently wire them out of phase, then no.

should i just go back and rewire it as it used to be and just flip it around in the guitar?

Do you see yourself revisiting your wiring in say 5 years and finding yourself scratching your head wondering what you had done?

 

[Ploki]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

Do you see yourself revisiting your wiring in say 5 years and finding yourself scratching your head wondering what you had done?

lol.
actually, my current wiring, which was for P-rails neck and Jazz Bridge, i did 5 years ago exactly.
3x push pull
4x mini switch (1 of them 4dpt, 2x dpdt, 1x spdt), located on the control cavity back plate (i'm super-anal about being non-invasive.)
4dpt 3way switch

i swapped P-rails for '59 and I have NO CLUE how to put another pickup back in now.
but since most of switches produce sounds that are hopelessly useless, and there's some hipass filters that were needed for series p-rails, I decided to re-do the whole wiring. Also, I have no clue what the switches do anymore.

this time around, I'm going for a 5way rotary instead of 3way, and the back of control cavity a complete separate wiring with separate output for stereo, with mini switches for series/parallel... a 6PDT rotary for switching between "normal" and "stereo" wiring, but because it has only 6 poles, I can only use 3 of the pickup leads and I'm stuck with series/parallel, no phase in/out shennanigans, since green+ground will have to be permanently wired.

Well, I already have no clue what I'm doing... perhaps I should just redo the pickup the correct way.

 

[Ploki]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

hm...the sound is horrible.

i think I'm going to go back in and rewire it how it's supposed to be. oh well.

 

[gregory]

Re: Converted from 2conductor to 4c, and i flipped it. Problem?

It would seem like you got it out of phase.

This is how a 4-wire cable is connected per the Duncan standard:

Slug Coil Polarity: North

Black Start Wire : Black
White Finish Wire: White​

Screw Coil Polarity: South

Black Start Wire : Green
White Finish Wire: Red​