Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
This. Don't adjust the rest of the band to him.
This. Don't adjust the rest of the band to him.
Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
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Agileguy_101
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
But then he can just tell everyone to turn down.
But then he can just tell everyone to turn down.
Aceman
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
That assumes that any of them can hear him ask...
That assumes that any of them can hear him ask...
everdrone
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
instead of buying yourself a pedal or somethin just buy him a used Pro Junior for $200!
NecroPolo
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
'rite, a bass amp is intended for bass. But as long as it has some EQ on it and you take some time to tweak the two amps until they start to sound good together in a decent volume it can do the job. Try cutting the lows and pushing the mids on his amp. If it still sounds crap try to change amps for a rehearsal or two. If he can't feel the difference, probably playing his bass amp is the least of problems that will come later. If he is a "...but I..." type of guy, dump him.
Who did say that to you? Volume chasing is ultimate BS. Use earplugs. Can ya hear hissing / ringing noise during the night when everything else is off? That's called tinnitus and that is a part of the vibe of loudness. Note that it's a permanent damage to your hearing. Start using yer plugs, two years ago from now.
'rite, a bass amp is intended for bass. But as long as it has some EQ on it and you take some time to tweak the two amps until they start to sound good together in a decent volume it can do the job. Try cutting the lows and pushing the mids on his amp. If it still sounds crap try to change amps for a rehearsal or two. If he can't feel the difference, probably playing his bass amp is the least of problems that will come later. If he is a "...but I..." type of guy, dump him.
Who did say that to you? Volume chasing is ultimate BS. Use earplugs. Can ya hear hissing / ringing noise during the night when everything else is off? That's called tinnitus and that is a part of the vibe of loudness. Note that it's a permanent damage to your hearing. Start using yer plugs, two years ago from now.
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SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
But then he will sound better than the OP, 'case the Pro Jr (to me) sounds way better than a Blues Jr
But then he will sound better than the OP, 'case the Pro Jr (to me) sounds way better than a Blues Jr
Agileguy_101
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
The idea that prog rock should be played loud isn't completely incorrect. It doesn't have to be earsplittingly so, but you should be able to play loud when you can. If everyone else has an amp capable of being loud but your guitarist, that's a problem.
The idea that prog rock should be played loud isn't completely incorrect. It doesn't have to be earsplittingly so, but you should be able to play loud when you can. If everyone else has an amp capable of being loud but your guitarist, that's a problem.
SongsForTheDeaf
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
Just switch amps with him for a rehearsal.. he will most likely love the Blues Junior so much and will go and get a guitar amp.
If he doesn't then kill him...WAIT what??!?!
Just switch amps with him for a rehearsal.. he will most likely love the Blues Junior so much and will go and get a guitar amp.
If he doesn't then kill him...WAIT what??!?!
jon the art guy
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
You never told us what sort of bass combo he had. Are we talking Bassman 100, or are we talking First Act 10w?
If you've got an ABY switch, just put a practice combo on top of the amp, run the guitar into both the bass and guitar amp. You'll get the round bottom end out of bass amp, on which you need to cut the bass a bit and dime the mids and highs. Adjust the practice amp's EQs to suit the upper register. If the other guy is going to be chintzy about getting an amp setup for himself, might as well go with a time-tested way to get highs out of bass amps on a budget.
If you're having problems like this and he's not willing to take care of business, you need to take care of it for him. Buy a ZT amp and keep it around in case of stuff like this.
You never told us what sort of bass combo he had. Are we talking Bassman 100, or are we talking First Act 10w?
If you've got an ABY switch, just put a practice combo on top of the amp, run the guitar into both the bass and guitar amp. You'll get the round bottom end out of bass amp, on which you need to cut the bass a bit and dime the mids and highs. Adjust the practice amp's EQs to suit the upper register. If the other guy is going to be chintzy about getting an amp setup for himself, might as well go with a time-tested way to get highs out of bass amps on a budget.
If you're having problems like this and he's not willing to take care of business, you need to take care of it for him. Buy a ZT amp and keep it around in case of stuff like this.
ItsaBass
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
You may think "loudness is part of the vibe," but you're wrong. Unless you are playing arenas to 20,000 people, loudness will typically make you sound like total ****, given most PAs and most sound dudes. At 99 percent of venues that bands play, the number one thing that makes a band hard and/or just plain hopeless to do sound for is if they are too loud. It's common sense. Any sound man can take the quietest amp and make it as loud as the PA will allow. However, he can't do the opposite if you are too loud. Get away from the "loud is good" idea, and then think about it. Loud ain't good. Good sound is good.
You may think "loudness is part of the vibe," but you're wrong. Unless you are playing arenas to 20,000 people, loudness will typically make you sound like total ****, given most PAs and most sound dudes. At 99 percent of venues that bands play, the number one thing that makes a band hard and/or just plain hopeless to do sound for is if they are too loud. It's common sense. Any sound man can take the quietest amp and make it as loud as the PA will allow. However, he can't do the opposite if you are too loud. Get away from the "loud is good" idea, and then think about it. Loud ain't good. Good sound is good.
SongsForTheDeaf
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
Fact^^^^
Fact^^^^
Agileguy_101
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Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
You're operating on a few asdumptions here.
1) You don't know how loud the OP's band plays. It could be that they are playing at a reasonable volume but the guitarist's amp is just not loud enough to let him be heard.
2) Not every venue has a soundman.
You're operating on a few asdumptions here.
1) You don't know how loud the OP's band plays. It could be that they are playing at a reasonable volume but the guitarist's amp is just not loud enough to let him be heard.
2) Not every venue has a soundman.
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
Sorry guys, I'm really not good with bass amps...I don't exactly know what his model is. But it is small. I will check with him today, and let you all know.
And about the loudness thing...I kept on reading how my favorite guitarist, Steve Howe, ran his twins at really high volumes. I also read about how Roy Buchanan and Albert Collins, also great players, ran their amps at full volume. That's where the idea that "Loud is great" came from, at least to me.
Sorry guys, I'm really not good with bass amps...I don't exactly know what his model is. But it is small. I will check with him today, and let you all know.
And about the loudness thing...I kept on reading how my favorite guitarist, Steve Howe, ran his twins at really high volumes. I also read about how Roy Buchanan and Albert Collins, also great players, ran their amps at full volume. That's where the idea that "Loud is great" came from, at least to me.
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
Well back when those guys were in their heydey they needed to run their amps that loud. That is no longer the case. In face, most venues despise it when bands do that (unless you can draw a respectable sized croud consistently).
Well back when those guys were in their heydey they needed to run their amps that loud. That is no longer the case. In face, most venues despise it when bands do that (unless you can draw a respectable sized croud consistently).
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
Female musicians are hot in general.
Hell, females are hot in general. I should try talking to them more.
Female musicians are hot in general.
Hell, females are hot in general. I should try talking to them more.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
But on topic, may I ask what the other guitarist's EQ is?
It is possible that, because of non-fitting EQ, he isn't in an open frequency pocket.
But on topic, may I ask what the other guitarist's EQ is?
It is possible that, because of non-fitting EQ, he isn't in an open frequency pocket.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
You should try talking to any women more.
You should try talking to any women more.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
When I was in a metal band our drummer wasn't loud enough. Very fast but no "boom". So we took sharpies and wrote degrading messages all over his drum heads. Including a nice graphic on his snare of a big crab and an arrow pointing to his crotch as a reminder of his trip to Santo Domingo. Boy did he get heavy quick.
When I was in a metal band our drummer wasn't loud enough. Very fast but no "boom". So we took sharpies and wrote degrading messages all over his drum heads. Including a nice graphic on his snare of a big crab and an arrow pointing to his crotch as a reminder of his trip to Santo Domingo. Boy did he get heavy quick.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: Convincing my second guitarist to use a louder amp - suggestions?
People who speak the loudest are rarely the most interesting. Its the same with music. Play well, and people will listen.
Having said that, a musician without the right tools for the job is not much use to anyone.
People who speak the loudest are rarely the most interesting. Its the same with music. Play well, and people will listen.
Having said that, a musician without the right tools for the job is not much use to anyone.
