Rex_Rocker
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
Oh, home practice volumes is not something Rectos are great at. Not even the mini, IMO.
Oh, home practice volumes is not something Rectos are great at. Not even the mini, IMO.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
If a 50 or 100W Mesa is too loud, get a wireless system and play from across the street.
If a 50 or 100W Mesa is too loud, get a wireless system and play from across the street.
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
I've always loved the recto-tone at any volume, even bedroom-practice level, but with any amount of level change they need re-EQed.
At very low volumes use less treble (like under noon), more mids and bass, and then use the presence to dial in/out the brightness.
Jumper cable in the loop helps also IMO, if it's not being used. (not needed if it's series-loop modded or the reborns/roadsters/kings)
I've always loved the recto-tone at any volume, even bedroom-practice level, but with any amount of level change they need re-EQed.
At very low volumes use less treble (like under noon), more mids and bass, and then use the presence to dial in/out the brightness.
Jumper cable in the loop helps also IMO, if it's not being used. (not needed if it's series-loop modded or the reborns/roadsters/kings)
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Little Pigbacon
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I think I want a Dual Rectifier head.
I think I want a Dual Rectifier head.
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
Wait a second! You're from/in Petaluma CA?
If you are then it's case-closed, you're get'n a mesa!
Really though, that would be so handy for repair/upkeep, and if you found an older unit it might well be needing caps and a go-through.
Shipping and/or driving far just isn't that cheap these days, so having mesa-service right there would be just perfect.
Wait a second! You're from/in Petaluma CA?
If you are then it's case-closed, you're get'n a mesa!
Really though, that would be so handy for repair/upkeep, and if you found an older unit it might well be needing caps and a go-through.
Shipping and/or driving far just isn't that cheap these days, so having mesa-service right there would be just perfect.
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Little Pigbacon
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Little Pigbacon
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No, that’s a joke about my current Mesa obsession. Like the Navy Yard, which is a joke about my ongoing Bishop obsession.
No, that’s a joke about my current Mesa obsession. Like the Navy Yard, which is a joke about my ongoing Bishop obsession.
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
No sir, that's with any Dual, except that the reborns/roadsters/kings can so it with a switch-flip instead of pulling a pair of power-tubes.
The older 2-channel duals and the 2000's-era(GC-era lol) 3-channel duals are both fine when ran with at 50w, even according to Mesa.
edit; but when doing so you must run the amp set to 1/2 resistance/ohmage/impedence
example=
cable into amp's 4ohm output
cable going into a an 8ohm cab
If one forgets to do this the amp won't get enough resistance and will run too hot,,,,,,,,,not good
also, you must pull the inner-two or the outer-two power-tubes, either way is fine
never pull the two-lefts, or the two-rights
never get the rectifier-tubes that are together on the far right confused with the power-tubes (when viewed from the back)
they are almost the same size and shape if you have str440 and the short-bottle rectifiers
if you pull one pair of power-tubes you do not have to pull one of the rectifier-tubes, but you might prefer the tone of doing-so
never have the amp switched to "tube rectifiers" without having at least one (if at 50w), or both (if at 100w) of the tube-rectifiers installed
if you run both rectifier-tubes with a single pair of power-tubes the tone will be slightly stiffer and less tube-like, but still not quite the same as running the diode rectifiers which many guys use exclusively, in which case it would make no difference how many rectifier tubes were installed.
No sir, that's with any Dual, except that the reborns/roadsters/kings can so it with a switch-flip instead of pulling a pair of power-tubes.
The older 2-channel duals and the 2000's-era(GC-era lol) 3-channel duals are both fine when ran with at 50w, even according to Mesa.
edit; but when doing so you must run the amp set to 1/2 resistance/ohmage/impedence
example=
cable into amp's 4ohm output
cable going into a an 8ohm cab
If one forgets to do this the amp won't get enough resistance and will run too hot,,,,,,,,,not good
also, you must pull the inner-two or the outer-two power-tubes, either way is fine
never pull the two-lefts, or the two-rights
never get the rectifier-tubes that are together on the far right confused with the power-tubes (when viewed from the back)
they are almost the same size and shape if you have str440 and the short-bottle rectifiers
if you pull one pair of power-tubes you do not have to pull one of the rectifier-tubes, but you might prefer the tone of doing-so
never have the amp switched to "tube rectifiers" without having at least one (if at 50w), or both (if at 100w) of the tube-rectifiers installed
if you run both rectifier-tubes with a single pair of power-tubes the tone will be slightly stiffer and less tube-like, but still not quite the same as running the diode rectifiers which many guys use exclusively, in which case it would make no difference how many rectifier tubes were installed.
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Little Pigbacon
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That’s something I would randomly forget while plugging things in. I’d probably rather just burn the second pair of tubes.
That’s something I would randomly forget while plugging things in. I’d probably rather just burn the second pair of tubes.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
At one point while reading a thread on a Wampler pedal, I became annoyed (and not for the first time) that I hadn't played through a Rectifier. So last weekend I did it. I didn't even dig into the power tubes, but I'll say this: It has a way of taking all that stuff the pedals try to do and making it endlessly musical. It was just the perfect state of being on the verge of cutting, yet warm and gooey. Heavy yet singing. I freaking loved it.
At one point while reading a thread on a Wampler pedal, I became annoyed (and not for the first time) that I hadn't played through a Rectifier. So last weekend I did it. I didn't even dig into the power tubes, but I'll say this: It has a way of taking all that stuff the pedals try to do and making it endlessly musical. It was just the perfect state of being on the verge of cutting, yet warm and gooey. Heavy yet singing. I freaking loved it.
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
If you have some space maybe, but within a house or room the 50w setting just cooperates better. Much easier to get great tone down at low volumes.
100w is soooo punchy, which is great at rehearsal levels and/or in live-mix but makes for a far less "breathable" tone at low-moderate volume.
If you have some space maybe, but within a house or room the 50w setting just cooperates better. Much easier to get great tone down at low volumes.
100w is soooo punchy, which is great at rehearsal levels and/or in live-mix but makes for a far less "breathable" tone at low-moderate volume.
Gone_Shootin
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
Get a Reborn. My previous Recto was a version 2 and I never did get along with it. The Reborn I have now? Love that thing. It just plain sounds better. Plus the 50 watt switch let's the drive channels get the poweramp cookin' a little easier and let's the clean channel have some headroom. But one could also use the pushed setting on the clean channel on the 50 watt setting for some classic low gain stuff too. It's a great amp.
And as far as loudness in concerned, I notice a difference when I go through one of my Recto 2x12s when compared to a 4x12. But part of that might be because the speakers are all at my feet.
ETA: It also helps to jump the FX loop and crank the level if you want more poweramp distortion. I imagine a clean boost in the loop, such as a SHO, would work too.
Get a Reborn. My previous Recto was a version 2 and I never did get along with it. The Reborn I have now? Love that thing. It just plain sounds better. Plus the 50 watt switch let's the drive channels get the poweramp cookin' a little easier and let's the clean channel have some headroom. But one could also use the pushed setting on the clean channel on the 50 watt setting for some classic low gain stuff too. It's a great amp.
And as far as loudness in concerned, I notice a difference when I go through one of my Recto 2x12s when compared to a 4x12. But part of that might be because the speakers are all at my feet.
ETA: It also helps to jump the FX loop and crank the level if you want more poweramp distortion. I imagine a clean boost in the loop, such as a SHO, would work too.
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Little Pigbacon
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I think a Dual Rectifier Reborn is exactly what I want. All I have to do is save up a bunch of money, then go trolling for used amps.
I think a Dual Rectifier Reborn is exactly what I want. All I have to do is save up a bunch of money, then go trolling for used amps.
chadd
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
I had #50. It was useful, but I never used it once I got my first Dual.
I love all the modes on my Road King, those options are worth it to me. I also usually run on spongy and only two power tubes for the dirt and 100 watts on the clean for more headroom.
I'd sell my single for less than that
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Van Noord
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
When I had one, I couldn't go back and forth playing both my JVM and Recto. They are such different amps in sound and feel that it created a bit of a mindfck and endless tweaking of the Recto. Finally realized the JVM was more/better suited to my playing style so dumped the Recto.
When I had one, I couldn't go back and forth playing both my JVM and Recto. They are such different amps in sound and feel that it created a bit of a mindfck and endless tweaking of the Recto. Finally realized the JVM was more/better suited to my playing style so dumped the Recto.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
I’m not sure how much that would bother me. When I had a TSL100, sometimes I would run my V-Twin into it. It made some kind of vaguely Boogie-ish noise. Maybe that would work with the JVM. I can’t remember if I ran it out front or into the effects loop.
Kind of like a training bra for a real Mesa amp.
I’m not sure how much that would bother me. When I had a TSL100, sometimes I would run my V-Twin into it. It made some kind of vaguely Boogie-ish noise. Maybe that would work with the JVM. I can’t remember if I ran it out front or into the effects loop.
Kind of like a training bra for a real Mesa amp.
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Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
Always check the Los Angeles Craigslist. So many nu metal and pop punk players from the last 20 years are dumping Rectos on there. It's a buyer's market.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/msa?sort=pricedsc&query=mesa rectifier&srchType=T
Always check the Los Angeles Craigslist. So many nu metal and pop punk players from the last 20 years are dumping Rectos on there. It's a buyer's market.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/msa?sort=pricedsc&query=mesa rectifier&srchType=T
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Gone_Shootin
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Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
Two amps at the same time. Seriously. One of my favorite things to do is run my Recto with my JVM or Splawn. And you can run EL34s in the 3 channel Rectos, which helps too.
Two amps at the same time. Seriously. One of my favorite things to do is run my Recto with my JVM or Splawn. And you can run EL34s in the 3 channel Rectos, which helps too.
Re: Cost-effective Rectifier?
2-channel rectos are also fixed-bias switchable, but yeah I agree there's nothing like two amps hitting their own separate cabs.
2-channel rectos are also fixed-bias switchable, but yeah I agree there's nothing like two amps hitting their own separate cabs.
