kramersteen
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Personal attack? When? where? haha
All i see is love for dimarzio.
Personal attack? When? where? haha
All i see is love for dimarzio.
Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
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Gibson 1964
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Given the number of times I have found miswired/messed up pickups in guitar installs, it wouldn't surprise me. It is not a personal attack. This guitar is new to you if I read you right, and it's nothing on you if a previous owner miswired a pickup, right?
But it just comes off strange, just like I would suspect a wiring issue if someone described the SD invader as thin, bright and low output. (Which incidentally has happened, and in that case, it was wired to be permanently split by accident if memory serves.) If it is a wiring issue, you might be judging the pickups based on someone elses wiring error, which really is not giving them a fair shake, and finding out if you actually like them. Personally, I'd rather make sure I tried them at their best before deciding I couldn't get rid of them fast enough.
So take a step back, breathe, and relax. Nobody has personally attacked you, you just made a statement that sounded very strange. It sounds more like a wiring error by your description than anything else, and I don't particularly love any dimarzios.
The assessment seems strange. If a Super distortion sounds weak... I would suspect it is wired wrong, not because everyone should like it, but rather it should have a lot of output. I don't actually like them myself, but it makes no real sense to call them weak, because it should be a loud, thick pickup.
Given the number of times I have found miswired/messed up pickups in guitar installs, it wouldn't surprise me. It is not a personal attack. This guitar is new to you if I read you right, and it's nothing on you if a previous owner miswired a pickup, right?
But it just comes off strange, just like I would suspect a wiring issue if someone described the SD invader as thin, bright and low output. (Which incidentally has happened, and in that case, it was wired to be permanently split by accident if memory serves.) If it is a wiring issue, you might be judging the pickups based on someone elses wiring error, which really is not giving them a fair shake, and finding out if you actually like them. Personally, I'd rather make sure I tried them at their best before deciding I couldn't get rid of them fast enough.
So take a step back, breathe, and relax. Nobody has personally attacked you, you just made a statement that sounded very strange. It sounds more like a wiring error by your description than anything else, and I don't particularly love any dimarzios.
El Dunco
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
This could be construed as one.
swissmountain
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Your opinion is fully ok.
My post was not meant as a personal attack. I am familiar with the DiMarzio Super Distortion (have two of them). I don't like it because for my styles it's too loud, too dark in the midrange and has too much buzz on the top end. I can perfectly understand anyone characterising them as "lifeless" because the loudness and dirtiness can mask most playing subtleties but I certainly would not characterise them as "thin" or "weak" - that's why I suggested a wiring error - which may or may not have been the case.
I have seen that you made a few hybrids so you definitely must know your way around pickups.
Your opinion is fully ok.
My post was not meant as a personal attack. I am familiar with the DiMarzio Super Distortion (have two of them). I don't like it because for my styles it's too loud, too dark in the midrange and has too much buzz on the top end. I can perfectly understand anyone characterising them as "lifeless" because the loudness and dirtiness can mask most playing subtleties but I certainly would not characterise them as "thin" or "weak" - that's why I suggested a wiring error - which may or may not have been the case.
I have seen that you made a few hybrids so you definitely must know your way around pickups.
GuitarStv
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Wasn't actually intended as a personal attack . . . just figured that maybe there was something funny about the pickup height adjustment (maybe set way way too low?), or pickup install as he was saying that the super distortion sounds thin. Both would be a case of user error, hence 'between the guitar and strap'.
Wasn't actually intended as a personal attack . . . just figured that maybe there was something funny about the pickup height adjustment (maybe set way way too low?), or pickup install as he was saying that the super distortion sounds thin. Both would be a case of user error, hence 'between the guitar and strap'.
Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
This, Be interesting to hear how it sounds with a different set of pickups.
This, Be interesting to hear how it sounds with a different set of pickups.
GuitarStv
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Agreed . . . but when someone tells you that pepper sucks because they don't like salty food . . . well . . . some further questions are naturally in order.
Agreed . . . but when someone tells you that pepper sucks because they don't like salty food . . . well . . . some further questions are naturally in order.
El Supremo
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
I did the actual opposite with the same result
. Bit dryer, thinner, more focused sound with the Super Distortion. Especially noticeable on single note lines.
I did the actual opposite with the same result
. Bit dryer, thinner, more focused sound with the Super Distortion. Especially noticeable on single note lines.Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Must be other gear that's making that difference. I've had 6 strat style guitars of various manufacture and build elements with super distortion bridge pickups. They all share the same characteristics, round smooth highs, pronounced mids and bass. Conversely my experience with Duncan distortions have always been lots of high cut, hollow mids. More sizzle on the distortion, more meat on the super distortion. If someone asks for more fat I would point them to super d. If someone asked for more high end then Duncan distortion. But we're using words to describe sounds here, so we're all bonkers
I did the actual opposite with the same result
Must be other gear that's making that difference. I've had 6 strat style guitars of various manufacture and build elements with super distortion bridge pickups. They all share the same characteristics, round smooth highs, pronounced mids and bass. Conversely my experience with Duncan distortions have always been lots of high cut, hollow mids. More sizzle on the distortion, more meat on the super distortion. If someone asks for more fat I would point them to super d. If someone asked for more high end then Duncan distortion. But we're using words to describe sounds here, so we're all bonkers
Uncle Fred
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
I used Dimarzios for years and I could never find exactly what I wanted. The JB is a lot better. The 59 I think is better than a Gibson 57. I just started messing with my Strats and I really like SSL-3 and Texas Hot.
I used Dimarzios for years and I could never find exactly what I wanted. The JB is a lot better. The 59 I think is better than a Gibson 57. I just started messing with my Strats and I really like SSL-3 and Texas Hot.
Bodeanicus
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Well, Carvin uses cheapo, dime 500k pots. I'd switch those out first. Check to see if the Dimarzios were wired in parallel instead of series. If that doesn't do it, you got a dog, and a pretty dog is still a dog.
Well, Carvin uses cheapo, dime 500k pots. I'd switch those out first. Check to see if the Dimarzios were wired in parallel instead of series. If that doesn't do it, you got a dog, and a pretty dog is still a dog.
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
I'm with most everybody else, here. There was something wrong other than just being DMZs. I had a similar experience to the OP with a vintage Super D in an old Dean...turns out, it had a bad coil. Every other Super D I've ever played has been thick and loud, regardless of the guitar.
I'm with most everybody else, here. There was something wrong other than just being DMZs. I had a similar experience to the OP with a vintage Super D in an old Dean...turns out, it had a bad coil. Every other Super D I've ever played has been thick and loud, regardless of the guitar.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
I'm with most everyone else here. Don't see attacks really, but more so concern because something seems amiss.
Like if you don't like cupcakes that's plenty fine, but if you say you don't like them because you think they are too spicy, people are going to start asking questions and making some suggestions because that sounds pretty durn off.
A Dimarzio SD sounds thin like a cupcake tastes spicy from my experience. It doesn't. This leads many, including myself, to think something got messed up rather than the pickup being at fault. What got messed up? I haven't the slightest clue at this point.
But we should all still be excellent to each other...
I'm with most everyone else here. Don't see attacks really, but more so concern because something seems amiss.
Like if you don't like cupcakes that's plenty fine, but if you say you don't like them because you think they are too spicy, people are going to start asking questions and making some suggestions because that sounds pretty durn off.
A Dimarzio SD sounds thin like a cupcake tastes spicy from my experience. It doesn't. This leads many, including myself, to think something got messed up rather than the pickup being at fault. What got messed up? I haven't the slightest clue at this point.
But we should all still be excellent to each other...
Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Mouse Ears - you are aware the Duncan and Dimarzio use different wiring color schemes, right? IIRC, with Duncan black is the hot lead, and with DMZ the red one is. If you mix those up (and I have) you will end up with a pickup that sounds thin and weak.
I like Duncans and DiMarzios about equally. I've tried models I didn't care of from both companies. I've never gotten a thin-sounding DiMarzio. Ever.
Mouse Ears - you are aware the Duncan and Dimarzio use different wiring color schemes, right? IIRC, with Duncan black is the hot lead, and with DMZ the red one is. If you mix those up (and I have) you will end up with a pickup that sounds thin and weak.
I like Duncans and DiMarzios about equally. I've tried models I didn't care of from both companies. I've never gotten a thin-sounding DiMarzio. Ever.
treyhaislip
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Does sound like a wiring issue--can mess up the output you hear.
Just curious, what do you mean by "thin"?...weak output? High treble output? Nasally?...
I prefer Duncan's over DiMarzios but my favorite pickup combination is a Liquifire and a Screamin Demon. And I've played several DiMarzios that were powerful...lifeless/generic is more of the term I would describe some of them though...
Does sound like a wiring issue--can mess up the output you hear.
Just curious, what do you mean by "thin"?...weak output? High treble output? Nasally?...
I prefer Duncan's over DiMarzios but my favorite pickup combination is a Liquifire and a Screamin Demon. And I've played several DiMarzios that were powerful...lifeless/generic is more of the term I would describe some of them though...
JimmyO
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Re: Couldn't rip out DiMarzios fast enough
Hello Kitty says Dimarzio rocks:
http://youtu.be/cqEz-MYV5Uo
Hello Kitty says Dimarzio rocks:
http://youtu.be/cqEz-MYV5Uo