Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
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Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
It's on the Medium output list: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/medium-output/index.php?page=all
but not on the All humbuckers list: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/index.php?page=all
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It's on the Medium output list: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/medium-output/index.php?page=all
but not on the All humbuckers list: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/index.php?page=all
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Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
In all honesty, it is the humbucker I'd be the least upset over if SD dropped it. Not only because I disliked the extremely hollow sound, but because it is still incredibly easy to get a Custom 5 with just a magnet swap.
In all honesty, it is the humbucker I'd be the least upset over if SD dropped it. Not only because I disliked the extremely hollow sound, but because it is still incredibly easy to get a Custom 5 with just a magnet swap.
Rockstar216
New member
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
Yea but how many people outside of the forum would swap a mag or even know about mag swapping? Also you'd be surprised that their are many people who love the C5.
Yea but how many people outside of the forum would swap a mag or even know about mag swapping? Also you'd be surprised that their are many people who love the C5.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
Ah . . . thanks. I knew it was there somewhere. I was looking in the high-output section, and "All".
Ah . . . thanks. I knew it was there somewhere. I was looking in the high-output section, and "All".
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
It sure would make a business for those of us who do know how to swap magnets.
It sure would make a business for those of us who do know how to swap magnets.
PFDarkside
of the Forum
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
Nobody.
A good deal of guitarists I've played with didn't even think about swapping pickups, especially with Gibsons and HSS Strats.
Nobody.
A good deal of guitarists I've played with didn't even think about swapping pickups, especially with Gibsons and HSS Strats.
Falloffthebonetone
New member
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
It's Ola Englund's favorite bridge pickup and it is in his signature which was recently released. It is not going anywhere.
It's Ola Englund's favorite bridge pickup and it is in his signature which was recently released. It is not going anywhere.
RayBarbeeMusic
Active member
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
It is by far my favorite Duncan, one of the only ones I still use. Scooped? I have no idea why people say that (other than people repeating what they've read without owning 10 guitars with it in there, welcome to the internet where parroting is king). Compared to a Super 3, sure; compared to a PAF it has more mids. It's a darker, middier, bigger sounding PAF, but doesn't go all the way to the overwound-hyped mid category, which is fine for some things for sure, but where it isn't fine and a PAF is just too bright/wimpy, the C5 is the perfect solution (I find them perfect in LPs and other set-neck Mahogany guitars).
There are other options out there, the Suhr SSH and Gibson 498T are just lower wound versions of a C5 for all intents, but I like the extra wire on the C5. If they quit offering them, a mag swap is easy enough I suppose, except where potted covers are involved.
It is by far my favorite Duncan, one of the only ones I still use. Scooped? I have no idea why people say that (other than people repeating what they've read without owning 10 guitars with it in there, welcome to the internet where parroting is king). Compared to a Super 3, sure; compared to a PAF it has more mids. It's a darker, middier, bigger sounding PAF, but doesn't go all the way to the overwound-hyped mid category, which is fine for some things for sure, but where it isn't fine and a PAF is just too bright/wimpy, the C5 is the perfect solution (I find them perfect in LPs and other set-neck Mahogany guitars).
There are other options out there, the Suhr SSH and Gibson 498T are just lower wound versions of a C5 for all intents, but I like the extra wire on the C5. If they quit offering them, a mag swap is easy enough I suppose, except where potted covers are involved.
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
Another would not miss it pickup vote here. I have had it in 6 guitars including several really good axes (Hamer Monaco Elite, LP classic, PRSUSA 250 SC ) and the only time I liked it was in a Gibson faded V with a 300K volume.Have even tried a UOA5, and nothing I wanted to keep,though marginally better than stock.
For gain sounds, I think the SH5 and CC are in a different league. The C5 however is much better at cleans.
Another would not miss it pickup vote here. I have had it in 6 guitars including several really good axes (Hamer Monaco Elite, LP classic, PRSUSA 250 SC ) and the only time I liked it was in a Gibson faded V with a 300K volume.Have even tried a UOA5, and nothing I wanted to keep,though marginally better than stock.
For gain sounds, I think the SH5 and CC are in a different league. The C5 however is much better at cleans.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
Saying whoever disagrees with you/whoever believes the Custom 5 is scooped has never tried the pickup is as foolish and inaccurate of a speculation as repeatedly giving untested and purely speculated advice found on the internet.
You like it - wonderful. You didn't find it lacking in mids, but that puts you in the minority in this forum. I have tried the Custom 5 for your information, along with other variations of the Custom, a JB, a JB/Custom hybrid, and a Pearly Gates all in the same guitar. The Custom 5 was by far lacked mids compared to every other model SD I tried in this one, telecaster-styled, guitar. It has a lot of sharp presence and tight bass, but virtually nothing in between. It sounded thin, and I didn't like it.
I know a few forum members off the top of my head who have shared their specific experiences/stories with the Custom 5 and got similar results. So a lot of us here have indeed tried the model in question, and are not just repeating what we've been told.
Saying whoever disagrees with you/whoever believes the Custom 5 is scooped has never tried the pickup is as foolish and inaccurate of a speculation as repeatedly giving untested and purely speculated advice found on the internet.
You like it - wonderful. You didn't find it lacking in mids, but that puts you in the minority in this forum. I have tried the Custom 5 for your information, along with other variations of the Custom, a JB, a JB/Custom hybrid, and a Pearly Gates all in the same guitar. The Custom 5 was by far lacked mids compared to every other model SD I tried in this one, telecaster-styled, guitar. It has a lot of sharp presence and tight bass, but virtually nothing in between. It sounded thin, and I didn't like it.
I know a few forum members off the top of my head who have shared their specific experiences/stories with the Custom 5 and got similar results. So a lot of us here have indeed tried the model in question, and are not just repeating what we've been told.
RayBarbeeMusic
Active member
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
I'll repeat, it isn't "scooped" vs. a PAF, PAFS are more scooped, but every time a PAF is mentioned, there isn't a chorus of "OMFG THAT IS SO GD SCOOPED OMFG OMFG" like there is with the C5, which leads me to conclude that it is a simple act of parroting.
It might come across as "scooped" if you don't use much midrange in your sound to start with and are used to playing hyped mid pickups like a JB, Super 3, Breed, etc, which I use in certain situations to, but in the grand scheme of things, there are a lot more pickups that are more "scooped" but I don't see the silly chorus of "OMFG SCOOPED SCOOPED!" every time one gets mentioned.
I'll repeat, it isn't "scooped" vs. a PAF, PAFS are more scooped, but every time a PAF is mentioned, there isn't a chorus of "OMFG THAT IS SO GD SCOOPED OMFG OMFG" like there is with the C5, which leads me to conclude that it is a simple act of parroting.
It might come across as "scooped" if you don't use much midrange in your sound to start with and are used to playing hyped mid pickups like a JB, Super 3, Breed, etc, which I use in certain situations to, but in the grand scheme of things, there are a lot more pickups that are more "scooped" but I don't see the silly chorus of "OMFG SCOOPED SCOOPED!" every time one gets mentioned.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
A constant criticism of the '59 on this forum is that it is scooped (along with boomy bass, shrill treble, i.e. no middle). Just throwing that out there. The Alnico II Pro on the other hand is a PAF that has enough mids to be compared with midrange-emphasized non-PAFs, and therefore it isn't ever referred to as scooped.
Again, if it works for you, great.
A constant criticism of the '59 on this forum is that it is scooped (along with boomy bass, shrill treble, i.e. no middle). Just throwing that out there. The Alnico II Pro on the other hand is a PAF that has enough mids to be compared with midrange-emphasized non-PAFs, and therefore it isn't ever referred to as scooped.
Again, if it works for you, great.
darthphineas
New member
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
It's scooped more than that container of chocolate ice cream at Baskin Robbins.
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It's scooped more than that container of chocolate ice cream at Baskin Robbins.
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tubecrunch
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Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
This reminds me. I need to put my c5's on the trading post...
This reminds me. I need to put my c5's on the trading post...
CTN
The Drama Dude
Re: Custom 5 (SH-14) no longer listed on the "Products" page.
ok I will acquiesce to the perception that the C5 does not seem "too" scooped under the following circumstances:
1) you are playing a lot of cleans and soft overdriven stuff and you pretty much never have to play with a ton of gain
2) the band you are playing with doesn't have to deal with a mix that is very dense in the mids before you even play a note, as a result of either fewer instruments, or instruments that are different enough that they're not all fighting for midrange space.
If you are trying to use the C5 and any of those cease to be applicable, IMO, you are quite frankly up a certain fecally-themed creek without a paddle. With a lot of gain, and when dealing with a dense mix, the C5 is UNUSABLE. Why? because it is scooped. Because the guitar's natural frequencies, normally represented by a helluva lot of mids, are not being conveyed to the amplifier in a way that allows the guitar to sound articulate and cut through. Instead, you are presented with a sound that sounds luscious and beautiful with cleans and soft OD tones, and quickly descends to utter sh!te as you pile on more and more gain. It gets shrill and thin in the highs, and boomy and tuba-like in the lows. "What about the mids, CTN? you haven't described how the mids sound," you might say. Well there's nothing to describe, they're not there.
I know this because I had one and tried to use it in a 6-piece metal band, and failed miserably.
Custom - big crunchy open mids
CC - big chewy mids
C8 - giant growly mids
C4 - creamy smooth mids
C3 - crunchy smooth mids
'59 - slightly relaxed mids, but they are very much there and nicely balanced
Full Shred - perhaps closest to the C5, since the wind is similar, the magnet is the same, but even this somehow has mids, they remind me a lot of the '59's mids though -
relaxed but present.
Invader - big huge fat greasy mids
JB, some say, has a scooped-ish midrange - I beg to differ, it is a wee bit scooped in the lower mids, but the upper mids are very clear, present and articulate.
Distortion - huge screaming mids
You could literally pick ANY other pickup in the duncan line (even some that aren't) and it'll be more articulate than the C5. Hell, even the tonechart EQ numbers for the C5 say it's scooped (6 / 3 / 8)
ok I will acquiesce to the perception that the C5 does not seem "too" scooped under the following circumstances:
1) you are playing a lot of cleans and soft overdriven stuff and you pretty much never have to play with a ton of gain
2) the band you are playing with doesn't have to deal with a mix that is very dense in the mids before you even play a note, as a result of either fewer instruments, or instruments that are different enough that they're not all fighting for midrange space.
If you are trying to use the C5 and any of those cease to be applicable, IMO, you are quite frankly up a certain fecally-themed creek without a paddle. With a lot of gain, and when dealing with a dense mix, the C5 is UNUSABLE. Why? because it is scooped. Because the guitar's natural frequencies, normally represented by a helluva lot of mids, are not being conveyed to the amplifier in a way that allows the guitar to sound articulate and cut through. Instead, you are presented with a sound that sounds luscious and beautiful with cleans and soft OD tones, and quickly descends to utter sh!te as you pile on more and more gain. It gets shrill and thin in the highs, and boomy and tuba-like in the lows. "What about the mids, CTN? you haven't described how the mids sound," you might say. Well there's nothing to describe, they're not there.
I know this because I had one and tried to use it in a 6-piece metal band, and failed miserably.
Custom - big crunchy open mids
CC - big chewy mids
C8 - giant growly mids
C4 - creamy smooth mids
C3 - crunchy smooth mids
'59 - slightly relaxed mids, but they are very much there and nicely balanced
Full Shred - perhaps closest to the C5, since the wind is similar, the magnet is the same, but even this somehow has mids, they remind me a lot of the '59's mids though -
relaxed but present.
Invader - big huge fat greasy mids
JB, some say, has a scooped-ish midrange - I beg to differ, it is a wee bit scooped in the lower mids, but the upper mids are very clear, present and articulate.
Distortion - huge screaming mids
You could literally pick ANY other pickup in the duncan line (even some that aren't) and it'll be more articulate than the C5. Hell, even the tonechart EQ numbers for the C5 say it's scooped (6 / 3 / 8)
