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as for the screaming demon, i have that feeling like its for tight marshall sounding leads, too much treble and not enough mids

You would be very close with that assumption. It's a pretty bright bridge pickup. An A2 or UOA5 might make it do exactly what you want, but...

i like my mids to do the beefing and some treble to give it a good edge and then to just sit on my bass. so that in mind which of the suggestions would be the best recommendation? or any other pickup, doesnt have to be high output, maybe even a humbucker size p90?

I think that a P90 is exactly what you want.
 
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I'm probably going to eventually get a 5-way "Mega switch" so I can mix-match coils from my CC and my '59. This might give more of a "3D" flavor to both.
 
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yeah i typically use the neck for completely separate stuff than the bridge. sometimes i blend both. i like that round bass, maybe even slightly scooped neck sound that you get in blues. plus a nice octave ring, like the Little Sister Solo, or a number of hendrix or page solos

the thing about the 59 is that it has no interesting character. i find it bright and solid but not special. im not saying its a bland pickup, but maybe a really good pickup for anything. im looking for like an enhancement. i considered the Dc for that reason

as for the screaming demon, i have that feeling like its for tight marshall sounding leads, too much treble and not enough mids

i like my mids to do the beefing and some treble to give it a good edge and then to just sit on my bass. so that in mind which of the suggestions would be the best recommendation? or any other pickup, doesnt have to be high output, maybe even a humbucker size p90?
The Screamin' Demon isn't usually thin, but it's more growl and bite, not so much midrange wail.

You might like something like the P-Rails (it gets 4 sounds, though the rail single coil gets mixed reactions, most people like the P-90 mode a lot, and tend to like either the parallel (more PAFish) humbucker or the serial (hot, huge humbucker, gets compared to Tone Zone by some) mode . Some dismiss the whole thing as a giant compromise, though.

I don't know if the usual Triple Shot mounting ring would work on your guitar.

Given Gibson used to use their Dirty Fingers hot ceramic pickups on a similar design, I'd be surprised if you couldn't get away with almost any pickup you want, as long as you don't luck into an unfortunate stacked frequency spike that makes it want to feedback all the time.

Sounds like you want something a bit darker & hotter than the '59. Or do you just want more mids? Do you want glassy/smooth highs, or something with a bit more grit? [Note that a genuine Seymour Duncan pickups tend to have more complex character than the overseas Duncan Designed pickups. Which aren't bad, for their price they're great, and they're hugely better than the junk often loaded into lowend guitars.]

Something like a Custom 8 might be great. Or even the original ceramic Custom, though that might have too much bite for your uses.

For tight, blazing chunky riffs and defined leads, a Full Shred bridge. (Downside is it has a bit of the cocked wah thing going on, in some setups, which is a bit of a love it or hate it thing). A lot of people love the Full Shred for low tuning because it doesn't flub out.

There's no shortage of possibilities, but it's tough to nail it on the first try, without a lot more information.

You might be able to get where you want just by playing with magnets, if pickup hacking is something you're interested in learning to do. Certainly the cheapest route, at something like $2.50 a magnet from AddictionFX.

UOA5 (UnOriented A5) does a great job of making a pickup sound like a loud A2, without giving up the bass of an A5. That might move your less '59s a bit less bland.

A8 adds a ton more bass, and higher output, and an upper mid edge, but rolls off treble.

Hope all this rambling is helpful, I have a migraine so took a bit of a shotgun approach...
 
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One thing to consider is that if you're going straight into the fuzz pedal, most fuzz circuits apply a really heavy load to the signal on the front end. Using active pickups or placing the fuzz after a pedal that has a buffer in it will actually change the sound of the fuzz pedal dramatically. I say this because I want you to understand the load's effect on the pickup tone. The resistive load would be like using a 100k volume pot or less. The load also flattens the resonant peak.

Since you were asking about the tone chart, you know that number under "resonant peak?" that's the place where the pickup coils resonate the loudest, and generally translates into the strongest frequency you'll hear. Most importantly it really identifies the pickups character. A fuzz pedal, ( or a 100k volume pot) would flatten that peak, making the differences between two similar pickups far less noticeable vs. other OD pedals or an amp. So when choosing a pickup for a fuzz pedal, sometimes you have to go farther away from what you have in order to hear a big difference.

P-Rails would give you pretty big differences to play with, as well as the P90 in HB housing. But I'm thinking you need a higher resonant peak for when you say you want it just bright enough, but you need a lot of lower mids for the darkness. P-Rails have 2 peaks in HB mode. A series/parallel option like in the triple shot could be great. The Custom is also a great choice the ceramic magnet will give you some good treble cut and lower end girth too. When these guys talk about A5 the Custom 5 is the Custom coils with an Alnico 5 magnet, also a good choice.
 
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alright. so far ive come to the conclusion that a phat cat would be a good choice. i was thinking bridge and then a jazz in the neck, but maybe i should go for a bit of heat in the bridge and put the phat cat in the neck.

so what im thinking is CC and Phat Cat, maybe the coil tap in conjunction with the p90 will be nice for clean

OR

phat cat in the bridge and jazz in the neck and taking advantage of the cleans a mod output pup and single coil p90 sorta clean

i was going back and forth to get an idea about my choices because i BASICALLY have a DD in my baritone and that thing is hot. it might be why i dont like the cleans on that guitar. so idk if it is the high output factor, the fact that its a baritone, the specific pickup thats in there, or what. and i dont want that to translate to my hollowbody. so thats where im at now! i feel like ive made some progress, so thanks guys! its apparent you know what youre talking about. i wish tone experimentation was cheaper. or i had more money. at least so i could go all out
 
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but definitely a darker pickup than that 59 duncan designed. also, when i said DD above, i meant a distortion.

and i can manage the heat in a dark pickup if its really worth it, otherwise, a mod o.p. pup would be mah thang
 
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but definitely a darker pickup than that 59 duncan designed. also, when i said DD above, i meant a distortion.

and i can manage the heat in a dark pickup if its really worth it, otherwise, a mod o.p. pup would be mah thang
Whoops, hurray for acronym overload, it's not just for techies anymore!

I'd be surprised if you don't find the Jazz too bright in the neck, and the most common complaint about them is they sound bland or have no character outside the sparkle (turn down the highs and they just sound dull).

Either arrangement of P-90 and humbucker in one guitar can be interesting. Depends on what tones you want for what use. P-90 in the neck is great for thicker but still biting tones. Neck humbuckers tend to be really fat, though.
A humbucker in the bridge rolls off the guitar's natural brightness in that position, allowing for a tight midrangy humbucker sound. P-90 in the bridge has a wonderful bite and snarl. Hard choices...

I'm not certain what you mean by "mod o.p." though... modified overpowered?

The Phat Cat is a neat pickup, and I love P-90s for metal. Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult used them a lot, very varied fantastic tones. Plus of course early Black Sabbath. Sad they're so rare in metal now.

Also keep in mind Seymour Duncan's 21 day swap guarantee if you buy new from a dealer and missed the mark.
 
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I'm not certain what you mean by "mod o.p." though... modified overpowered?

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i meant moderate output
i was at work and wanted to finish quickly

also

in relation to the big kahuna. i just realized that your post was there. thats some pretty good advice. i never really thought about all that. the pickup is really for my guitar that wont be too overloaded with fuzz, because i did notice that fuzz ultimately sounds more or less the same unless there are some significant alterations. i keep the tone knob on the muff pretty much just off 12 oclock and then sustain at 12 or lower so i can get some character to my sound. so im thinking the phat cat in the bridge because its got that single coil sorta chyme while keeping some girth and it sounds like itll pickup nicely what i have going on with my setup. idk about the neck though. maybe a pearly gates or something bluesy

it is a pain having so many musical aspirations and needs/wants
 
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actually!!!! im thinking now the custom custom in the bridge and the phat cat in the neck, although i see how the custom five would be a nice pair with the phat cat
 
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Try an unoriented A5 mag in the 59 bridge,, its easy to swap and you can get mags from addiction-fx on ebay for $5. I`d try a mag swap before a whole pup swap, you may be surprised at the difference. Do a board search magnet differences, there is a thread on page 6 or 7 here in the lounge that explains the differences in mags and their eq, swapping could be a cheaper alternative and quick fix.
 
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well it is for my schecter semi-hollowbody. and i tune it either Eb or C. i use a peavey valveking or sometimes a fender POS.

I would try a pickup with a A4 for this type of guitar. A pickup with an A2 will definitely have a big low end and might even be too boomy/flubby.

A4 will give you dirt and clarity and will be tight.
 
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I would try a pickup with a A4 for this type of guitar. A pickup with an A2 will definitely have a big low end and might even be too boomy/flubby.

A4 will give you dirt and clarity and will be tight.

i cant find one of those.
 
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so i found the site on ebay. what do you think...CC with a UOA5 switch or C5 with that? im just now starting to understand that difference and why you would do that although i have no idea about doing it myself or if i should order it. im willing to at least buy a whole new pickup or set
 
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I like very much the UOA5 in my hybrid, it seems a big A2 with tighter bass and treble.
 
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ordered a CC bridge and Phat Cat neck yesterday. so we shall see how i like em off the bat
 
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Custom Custom to me sounds like VH Fair Warning - The bottom is there but more round and not great for metal/chunk. Think more warm vintage vibe in a high output pickup. Maple/Alder seems the best place for it.
 
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Custom Custom to me sounds like VH Fair Warning - The bottom is there but more round and not great for metal/chunk. Think more warm vintage vibe in a high output pickup. Maple/Alder seems the best place for it.

its more for psychedelic blues with a metal influence. not so much metal thats kinda trippy

think is Silversun Pickups and the Black Keys boned and had a baby while The Kills/Dead Weather and the Melvins did the nasty to create a child of the opposite sex of the affore mentioned child. these two children boned and created a child which then was found by Queens of the Stone Age and taken in. Stockholm Syndrome sorta situation lead from one thing to another and a child was born. so kinda like a punky blues thats downtuned and mellow but dark
 
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for me, the CC is best in either a bright guitars or through a bright amp. I had one in my kramer baretta for a while. It had a Maple body, maple neck and a floyd rose.....and on top of that I played it through a JCM 800! 800's arent exactly known for being warm amps.

The CC was great for my case because I had a bright guitar and a bright amp

That sounds like a match made in heaven
 
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I dig the CC in my Koa Strat w/ a Maple/Ebony neck...agree it does kind of have a "Fair Warning" kinda vibe...:smoker:
 
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