Custom Family History Thread

Chistopher

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I'm a major rock 'n roll history buff and am interested in the Custom family of SD pickups. Unlike other pickups from Seymour Duncan, their is little documented history on these pickups, and what is known about them is largely unconfirmed.

What I have found to be the most commonly agreed upon explanation for the original Custom is that it was a broken Gibson P.A.F. that was rewound quite a bit hotter. This theory does has a bit of hard evidence to back it up:
GP Oct 79 pg 17 c_zpskcnq9tlp.jpg
Rumor has it that Eddie was not to fond of his pickup being marketed under his name, thus giving away his secret, and afterwards all connections between Eddie and the Custom were cut off.

A commonly thought of theory for the origin of the Custom Custom was that Eddie tinkered around with his Custom and replaced the ceramic magnet with an Alnico II magnet. This is backed by evidence both relating to how well the Custom Custom works for attaining Eddie's tones on albums released after the ones that allegedly feature the Custom. It is also backed by the commonly cited fact that Eddie doesn't like ceramic magnets.

This is a bit of a side theory, but it helps my case for the origin of the Custom Custom. Here are the stats for the Custom Custom:

Magnet: Alnico II
Wire: 43 AWG Poly
DCR: ~ 14.4K

And here are the stats of the pickup in the $25,000 Frankenstein replica:

Magnet: Degaussed Alnico II
Wire: 43 AWG Poly
DCR: ~ 14K

If the Fender stats are wound to the nearest whole number and the SD stats are rounded to the nearest 10th of a K, it is entirely possible that the the pickup which was in it when they released the replica was a Custom Custom, but with a magnet that has been in it since at least Diver Down. An additional theory is that the SD custom shop wound a pickup (The IM1) voiced to sound like the $25K pickup because they one in the replica was a Fender exclusive. If this is true you have the irony of SD being forced to completely reverse engineer their own pickup and make it a custom shop option in order to avoid getting sued.

The Custom 5 (originally Custom Custom Custom) is much easier to find the history of because the listing on the SD website itself says that the Custom 5 was made on a forum. I have not, however, been able to find the specific page. It is simply a Custom with an Alnico V magnet.

The 59/Custom Hybrid was originally made by BachToRock on this forum:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?22538-HOW-TO-Make-a-59-Custom-Hybrid
The original most popular magnets were Alnico II and Alnico IV, but was released officially with Alnico V magnets. There is also some speculation that BachToRock got the idea from talks with EVH, but I do not have enough information to either confirm or deny these rumors.

There are finally the Custom 3, Custom 4, Custom UOA5, Custom 8, Custom UOA8, Custom 9, and Triple Ceramic Customs. None of these are production models therefore require the guitar player to make them, so they are perfect candidates to add the a players "secret sauce"/unique tone.

Please add or correct any of this if it is incorrect or add to it. This is simply my attempt to get all the history behind the Custom family straight, as little has been fully comfirmed or denied.

*And yes, that is a double cream '59 option that is available in the picture.
 
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Custom Custom Custom came around at least 2 forums before this one. I think I remember it around 1999.
 
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You wouldn't happen to have a link would you? Or is old enugh that they have taken it down?
 
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You wouldn't happen to have a link would you? Or is old enugh that they have taken it down?
Those older forums were replaced by this one in Spring 2004. The wayback machine may have it, but searching would likely be difficult.

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the custom custom custom/c5 was an experiment a few of us tried. i wasnt the first to do it but i made an early one. i used an old rough a5 i had laying around and at the time didnt realize how much difference polished vs rough (and maybe uo) made but my pup sounded freakin great
 
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Those older forums were replaced by this one in Spring 2004. The wayback machine may have it, but searching would likely be difficult.

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I tried to search the Wayback Machine but I was unsuccessful...
 
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From what i gather is that the Full Shred is also part of the Custom family but has allen screw pole pieces instead of slugs/screws.
 
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I see my pic has made the internet rounds. :naughty:

I went on ebay and grabbed a copy of Guitar Player Oct '79 so I could see what all the hub-bub was about; took pics.

Here's the rest of that series:

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GP%20Oct%2079%20pg%2017%20b_zpswburciq0.jpg


I'm convinced that the Custom was used on VH1:



 
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I also just realized that the the pickups go top to bottom the order they released them, except the distortion and seymourizer II are swapped.
 
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The Custom 5, aka the Custom Custom Custom (and I'm NOT making this up), was a p'up first made after a request from Godin, IIRC. I think the quote came from Duncan's former product specialist, Evan Skopp. It must be in the forum somewhere. I'm just too lazy to search right now.

I think the Forum asking for the same mod came roughly about the same time frame, so kinda potato potahto...

HTH,
 
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first made by duncan, yes. a buddy of mine has a godin and he loves that pup!
 
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I believe the first two forum iterations were taken down by either hackers, a server crash, or one of each. That's why they can't be found anywhere. IIRC.
 
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I saw the thing about Godin in my research, but I couldn't find any information from more reputable sources on it. But it's good to know that it can be confirmed my other forum members.
 
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Admittedly, this isn't my area of expertise, but I always thought the Full Shred was a Custom 5 with different pole pieces. Maybe the wind pattern is different enough from the rest of the Custom family to exclude it from your list, it I thought it might bear mentioning here.
 
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I've heard about the "full shred is a custom 5 with hex screws" thing, but I've always wondered, because the advertised resistance on all the customs is 14.4k, but the resistance on the full shred is 14.6k. That's close enough to just be variations in the sample they measured or they just state that to stop people from finding out that it's the same wind as a custom 5. I guess the only way to find out would be to make a 2 screw coil hybrid from a custom 5, replace the screws with hex screws and A/B them with a full shred. I've never felt the inclination to do it though.
 
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Guitar world Nov 1987. Mark Knopfler on the cover page. Had an interview with the then Whitesnake line up. Vivan Campbell had his brand new Buddy Blaze and the Rand. IIRC this is how it was described-the Blaze a Mahogany body maple neck 24 fret with a JB in the rear and Full Shred in the front. The Full Shred was described in the interview as a hotter Custom. It would have been a prototype so specifications would have changed. The Rand was described as very pointed and contour with a single Tom Holmes humbucker that was to be replaced by a Full Shred.
If anyone get hold of a copy of that issue they could confirm it.
I it does seem to suggest the Full Shred is from the same family as the custom


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Its been a long time since I checked the site for the specs, I just wrote them down a while back so I'd have them all in one place, but I guess they do change things a bit.
 
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I just loved the ES Artist on the opposite page. They had Moog electronics with a compressor/expander circuit. Steve Howe used them (with double pickguards!) in ASIA. The circuit board was almost the size of the body.
 
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