Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise...

Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

I had my eye on that guitar, and that's pretty much what I was gonna do to it if I ended up getting it from ya. Though I would refinish it afterward.

That poly you got down to is the sealer coat that Fender puts under their lacquer finished guitars (except certain Custom Shop ones). It's the modern equivalent of the Fullerplast of "yesteryear." Fullerplast started around '63, so it is actually fairly vintage accurate, even on a guitar that is supposed to be lacquer finished.

Also worth mentioning at this point that the '60's metallics were actually acrylic lacquer, not nitrocellulose. The final clear coats were nitro, but not the metallic color coats.

In other words, that thing is ready to have a "proper" vintage finish applied to it, and it'll be more vintage accurate than it ever was.

Still trying to figure out how to procure it. :D
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

That's a great turnout. Gave the guitar a new life!

Awesome :)
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Oh, that is just beautiful. Looks like the old wooden furniture in my grandparents old house. Nice, old, vintage look. I really like that.

But you say you don't need it? It's routed for humbuckers. Get a new pickguard and put what you need in it.

I happen to have a Warmoth tortoise pickguard routed for two minihbs...
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Man.... That's awesome. I'd love to own that but I'm sure shipping and import duty would kill it. Great job though, love it.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Definitely an improvement and IMO well worth the time and effort. Was actually expecting you to say "... so 3 months and about 300 hours later...".

Congrats man!

Honestly, that's about what I was expecting too. The fact that this happened was a huge surprise to me, haha.

Oh, that is just beautiful. Looks like the old wooden furniture in my grandparents old house. Nice, old, vintage look. I really like that.

But you say you don't need it? It's routed for humbuckers. Get a new pickguard and put what you need in it.

After this my Girlfriend is trying to get me to keep it (or give it to her) haha. But really I've had this Jag for a little over a year now, and other than being my short scale gigging guitar (specificially for songs with really long stretches), It never gets used. It's not a bad sounding guitar, just never bonded with it. Maybe if it doesn't sell in a bit I'll try something, maybe p-90's or mini-buckers?

But I'm hoping I can move it for something I'll use more...if for no other reason than, Now that its natural, I really wanna see how it'd look with gold hardware, and spitfire tort.....And I really don't need to be spending that kinda money, haha.

Looks like 3 to me. One line by the middle of the bridge and another to the right.

Looking at it close up in person it really looks like two pieces, specially looking at the back. But I did also see that weird line down by the bridge, so I definitely see what you're talking about. If it is a three piece the matched the grain really well at the very least.

Wow, nice! Wear gloves when getting all of that stuff off, though. It can't be good for your skin.

I started off wearing gloves...But they kept melting so I gave up. haha.

I happen to have a Warmoth tortoise pickguard routed for two minihbs...

Hmmm....If I end up having this for awhile longer, you may be receiving a message from me.

I had my eye on that guitar, and that's pretty much what I was gonna do to it if I ended up getting it from ya. Though I would refinish it afterward.

That poly you got down to is the sealer coat that Fender puts under their lacquer finished guitars (except certain Custom Shop ones). It's the modern equivalent of the Fullerplast of "yesteryear." Fullerplast started around '63, so it is actually fairly vintage accurate, even on a guitar that is supposed to be lacquer finished.

Also worth mentioning at this point that the '60's metallics were actually acrylic lacquer, not nitrocellulose. The final clear coats were nitro, but not the metallic color coats.

In other words, that thing is ready to have a "proper" vintage finish applied to it, and it'll be more vintage accurate than it ever was.

Still trying to figure out how to procure it. :D

It's still available, so I saved ya a step, haha. An yeah, if I end up not selling/trading it, I'll probably do a full refinish in a different color at some point (not a fan of wood grain on Fenders). (also, semi unrelated plug...I actually updated that trade/sale thread with a list of trade idea's for the various things in there, so...)

I actually did know that about the original acrylic Duoco custom color finishes from the 60's though. I always thought it was interesting that Vintage Custom Color fenders were worth so much more than the Standard finish on the same model, being as people tend to obsess over nitro. Though those finishes are still rather thin, and that seems to be the more important factor. And obviously rarity is the reason for the price difference, more than finish material. It's always just seemed interesting to me, since it seems alot of people don't know that the Metallic custom colors are not actually nitro.

But yeah, if you're interested feel free to PM me, might be able to work something out.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Dayum! That is sexy.
The irony is that I paint guitars, but I love nothing more than the look of a natural wood finish.

Well done, you've got a classic beauty there.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Thanks.

Is that a Nazi helmet in your profile picture?

well its a german helmet with a Brandenburg crest.. this has been my internet symbol for ~13 years.. it actually has meaning to it as well.. not just a random pic

edit>> correct name is stahl helm.. steel helmet
 
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Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Thanks.

Is that a Nazi helmet in your profile picture?

That helmet design could be from WWI or from the Nazi years. While it was used for the majority of WWI, it is most often associated with the Third Reich. The earlier spiked helmets are generally associated with the end of the Second Reich (i.e. WWI), even though they were only used early in the war. Both types of helmets were used not only by the military, but by some civilian services as well.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

well its a german helmet with a Brandenburg crest.. this has been my internet symbol for ~13 years.. it actually has meaning to it as well.. not just a random pic

edit>> correct name is stahl helm.. steel helmet

Oh Fair enough.

Didn't mean that to come off as negative or anything btw. Just curious. Current American military helmets are Pretty similar in design to those helmets, which is actually why I asked.

That helmet design could be from WWI or from the Nazi years. While it was used for the majority of WWI, it is most often associated with the Third Reich. The earlier spiked helmets are generally associated with the end of the Second Reich (i.e. WWI), even though they were only used early in the war. Both types of helmets were used not only by the military, but by some civilian services as well.

Huh, I did not know that. Thanks. An yeah, I think WWI I think the spiked helmet. The kind in Brandenburg's pic I think WWII, or Current American military.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Actually the WWII (Nazi) helmets have a slightly different profile...harder edged where the crown meets the neck guard. Think Darth Vader's helmet. I'd say this is more WWI. Not that the Germans were the good guys there, either! ;)
(BTW, is it me? Or is Darth Vader the biggest phallic symbol in movie history? He even has a bunch of smaller, white dicks running around in front of him!)

Sorry to hijack...intended in fun. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Oh Fair enough.

Didn't mean that to come off as negative or anything btw. Just curious. Current American military helmets are Pretty similar in design to those helmets, which is actually why I asked.

That's because the modern (well, post-vietnam anyway) American helmets did in fact take a lot of its cues from the german Stahlhelm. While steel helmets were introduced to most modern armies from 1915 and onward, the german helmets were really the only one to take proper neck protection into account. When it was time to retire the american WWII/Korea helmet, the design features of the german helmets were to a substantial degree incorporated into the new US ones.
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Actually the WWII (Nazi) helmets have a slightly different profile...harder edged where the crown meets the neck guard. Think Darth Vader's helmet. I'd say this is more WWI. Not that the Germans were the good guys there, either! ;)
(BTW, is it me? Or is Darth Vader the biggest phallic symbol in movie history? He even has a bunch of smaller, white dicks running around in front of him!)

Sorry to hijack...intended in fun. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

good.. bad.. irrelevant.. only when the dust settles I guess


Its actually a WW2 german divisional symbol that I made , when I joined a gaming clan back in 2000. This avatar is not the original but has been reworked and redone. much cleaner looking

I refer to german unit in WW2 as german unit and not nazi UNLESS they where specific to the NSDAP party..seriously.. do we refer to the US army as the democratic army.. never made sense to me... pretty propagandish to call all the units by the party and paint the whole as bad which is not right IMO . this unit was not part of the algemeinne SS,gestapo, or a polizie unit.. the brandenburg was originally a special forces regiment with each company trained for a specific region of the world. (some guys knew 7 languages)subordinate to the german Abwehr (intelligence branch) .. then latter in the war, they where made a division and where subordination to the Hermann Göring Korp and fought in the every shrinking eastern front in 44-45..

if this offends someone.. i suggest ya read a book on the subject instead of the spoon fed history that most of us where fed in school.. food for thought A)history is never black and white and is always various shades of grey.. B)history is always written by the victors

i love military history and units/tactics and can study it objectively and free of the politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburgers

now back to our regularly scheduled program
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Actually the WWII (Nazi) helmets have a slightly different profile...harder edged where the crown meets the neck guard. Think Darth Vader's helmet. I'd say this is more WWI. Not that the Germans were the good guys there, either! ;)
(BTW, is it me? Or is Darth Vader the biggest phallic symbol in movie history? He even has a bunch of smaller, white dicks running around in front of him!)

Sorry to hijack...intended in fun. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

sorry if i seemed a bit offensive and my answer was a tad vague.. but some recent events that transpired on another forum i was apart of that still irritates me
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Awesome save, and find on that guitar. Now it looks like just about every Jag/JM from the late 70's, when dudes picked them up for peanuts, stripped off the fancy custom colors and stained them baby-poo brown. ONe of my neighbors when I was growing up did just that to his Dad's Jag, it had been metallic mauve, when he was done it had a pair of humbuckers as well.
THe more I look at your pics, the more I want to start another project...
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

good.. bad.. irrelevant.. only when the dust settles I guess


Its actually a WW2 german divisional symbol that I made , when I joined a gaming clan back in 2000. This avatar is not the original but has been reworked and redone. much cleaner looking

I refer to german unit in WW2 as german unit and not nazi UNLESS they where specific to the NSDAP party..seriously.. do we refer to the US army as the democratic army.. never made sense to me... pretty propagandish to call all the units by the party and paint the whole as bad which is not right IMO . this unit was not part of the algemeinne SS,gestapo, or a polizie unit.. the brandenburg was originally a special forces regiment with each company trained for a specific region of the world. (some guys knew 7 languages)subordinate to the german Abwehr (intelligence branch) .. then latter in the war, they where made a division and where subordination to the Hermann Göring Korp and fought in the every shrinking eastern front in 44-45..

if this offends someone.. i suggest ya read a book on the subject instead of the spoon fed history that most of us where fed in school.. food for thought A)history is never black and white and is always various shades of grey.. B)history is always written by the victors

i love military history and units/tactics and can study it objectively and free of the politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburgers

now back to our regularly scheduled program



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sorry if i seemed a bit offensive and my answer was a tad vague.. but some recent events that transpired on another forum i was apart of that still irritates me

No offense taken. At least none by me.

In fact, I agree with you 100%. The soldiers on the ground are there doing a job, and an honourable one, at that. To judge them through the actions of the politicians in charge is grossly unfair and generally inaccurate. Soldiers' beliefs run the gamut, just like the general population. What makes them professional is that they set those political views aside when it comes time to uphold their oath and go to work. It is a gargantuan act of courage to be willing to die for someone else's beliefs.

I only used the Nazi term as a time-frame reference for those who don't know the history, as it had been used earlier in the thread. The Germans not being the good guys comment was meant to be light-hearted, and I'm sorry if the comment touched a nerve. That wasn't the intent. Again, the soldiers fighting the war are not the ones who set the policy, or even the tactics.

Now, as for my thoughts that Darth Vader is a phallic symbol...that was in all fake seriousness. Did George Lucas do that on purpose? I mean really...a big black penis walking around through the whole movie and no one seems to notice! LOL
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Ha! If it melts gloves, it can't be good for your skin. Be careful next time...chemical burns ain't fun!
 
Re: Decided to Remove a Horrible Finish on a Jaguar Today and got a pleasant surprise

Better yet, check the labels on the gloves to know what chemicals they stand up to. Other gloves stand up to acetone just fine.
 
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