Deluxe Reverb... Make the normal channel the gain channel and A/B them..?

Pierre

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Yeah... turns out the DR is probably the closest thing I'll ever come to 'my' amp. I'd like however to also use it as a gain platform. Overall it's got the headroom + cleans I'd like, the capacity to break up where I want it to and of course I could always change the speaker... but still. I'd like a Blues to medium gain rock channel.

So I'd like to change the normal channel to a more rocky sound. I got advised removing the EQ and placing the volume right at the end of signal path (a la MV instead of 'gain' control). I also considered a gain control in between the two gain stages, i.e would involve keeping the volume control as a gain and add a MV pot (just for channel 1) somewhere... just a thought. All, on paper, easy mods. I hope!

So... for the DR gurus out there... doable?
 
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Re: Deluxe Reverb... Make the normal channel the gain channel and A/B them..?

It's probably doable, but I'm sure you can find amps that do what you want them to do and don't have to butcher a DR. Sounds like you want the classic fender sound with a good overdrive sound. How bout a stock DR or other Fender with an overdrive pedal in front? Or how bout one of them Supersonic amps, they give up the good cleans and have a surprisingly good dirty channel. Just think you'd be happier this way and trying to help :-)
 
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It's doable, but I don't know if you'll like the results. I've been playing DR's almost my whole playing career, and they're my all-time favorite amp. BF, SF, RI: I love them all.

When I worked as an assistant in a repair shop, (back in the "Torres Enginner" heyday,) we got quite a few Fenders in looking for this kind of mod.

The problem is, most players are looking for a tone that these amps just weren't designed to produce. I'm not even talking about cascading gain, Mesa/Boogie tone here, I just mean, they're relatively clean amps.

Sure, you can mod Bassman's to overdrive more like a Marshall, and that works pretty well. You can safely lower the headroom on any of these amps.

But as far as getting more gain and drive, I've never heard Fender modded in this way that sounded "good" to me. Certainly nothing that beat a good clean boost running into a half-cranked stock amp.

It's not just a matter of components, but of the whole design philosophy with which the amp was designed, from chassic, cabinet, speaker to each little capacitor. Leo Fender, and his colleagues, hated distortion and tried to get rid of it. By some twist of fate, Fenders still have a magical overdriven sound. But push them too far, and you'll lose it.

The most common phrases I've heard, and said, to describe these kinds of mods are: Sounds farty!; Are you sure you did this right?; It doesn't sound like Marshall/Vox/Mesa!; It doesn't have as much gain as I thought it would.; What happened to the midrange?; and the winner: Can this be reversed?


I don't mean to discourage you; if you really to mod your amp, by all means go ahead. I just thought I'd warn you, that beyond some minor tweaking with EQ, headroom, or "opening up" the Normal channel, these amps generally don't respond so well to these types of mods.

They're incredibly versatile, and do a lot of things really well: but they'll never be a "rock" amp, like a 18-Watt Marshall, 15 watt Vox, any modern or boutique design, or even many of the Tweed Fender amps.


If you want to mod it, (and no amp mod is as easy as you think it will be!) go ahead. But personally, I'd simply cherish the classic amp you own, and love it for what it is, and what it does best.

Some great alternatives to modding it:

*Add a good-quality clean boost: older Fenders love having their preamps pummeled by a strong signal. I personally love the Xotic RC Booster, though the (much) less expensive Duncan Pickup Booster also does an incredible job.
If it's a transparent boost, you'll just be getting more of your guitar and amp's tone, plus a bunch of sustain, overdrive and musical feedback.

*If you need more gain or overdrive, a great solution is a Duncan Twin Tube Classic, (the Twin Tube Blue looks great too, but i haven't tried it yet.)
I do some gigs where the boost isn't enough on its own. If i' not using my Mesa, then I'll bring my Twin Tube. It does a great job of retaining the signature of your guitar and amp, but adds two really wonderful channels.
The first channel adds a bit of complexity and chime to your basic sound, and goes from a slightly overdriven tone, to a very cool raunch, classic rock style. The lead channel pushes it a bit further, with more harmonics and a more gainy, more compressed sound. Very flutey, great for Allman and Santana style fluid lines.

*Track down a Rivera-designed Deluxe Reverb II. These are killer amps, if you like a more rock sound, and overdrive. They retain a lot of the DR magic, but add a very toneful overdrive channel. (Easier to find, but similar in concept would be a Fender Super Sonic, any low-watt Rivera amp, and Mesa/Boogie Mk1's and Mk2's, the Mk1 reissue, and the Lonestar or Lonestar Special.)


In any event, good luck man! I hope you find the sound you're looking for!
 
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i love the Deluxe Reverb RI amps and hope to own one someday soon... but if i was more serious about a 2 channel amp i'd look somewhere else myself instead of modding an amp like that... even a HOT ROD Deluxe may be better and cheaper...
 
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The Rivera ones are much more expensive over here. Heck even a DR reissue would be very, VERY pushing it budget wise. I think they're around £700 second hand...? £500 maybe with A LOT of luck. And no so far I found no amps that'd give me what I want :( The Supersonics are way expensive too :(

I could indeed use pedals, which is what I'm doing now on a Laney AOR30 (yes, basically a JCM800 used clean for pedals...). So I'd rather move on to a two channels amp...

Back to the search then I guess. Probably going to end up with an Orange Rocker 30 still...
 
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i know it's not much of a technical answer, but i'd just run the two channels with a splitter box with a distortion or OD box and maybe an eq running into the plain channel.
 
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Not that much more advantages to this, may as well use a distortion pedal on its own :( which is how I play now anyway...
 
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Not that much more advantages to this, may as well use a distortion pedal on its own :( which is how I play now anyway...

there's nothing wrong with using distortion boxes:D
 
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there's nothing wrong with using distortion boxes:D

Wrong no, but they can be very inconvenient in a live setting becasue not everybody wants a pedalboard to protect their Tubescreamer from getting kicked across the stage and unplugging itself by a diver.

2 channel amps are very practical in this regard ;)
 
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Nope. You should see my pedalboard... but I'd rather have a nice distortion channel on my amp too. But the main issue is that my current amp isn't that great clean. It's a JCM800 preamp fitted to a low headroom 6V6 poweramp, almost a la DR. It's not got channel switching, just a set boost which I don't really like the sound of...
 
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Wrong no, but they can be very inconvenient in a live setting becasue not everybody wants a pedalboard to protect their Tubescreamer from getting kicked across the stage and unplugging itself by a diver.

2 channel amps are very practical in this regard ;)

yea.:arg::D
 
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You can mod the normal channel to resemble the response of a tweed tone stack; either a E series T/B type or the single tone ala the 5E3. So, you can get a bit fatter tone, but there are still a lot of differences that you can't really get around very easily. Agreed; most of the 'gain' mods on BF Fenders sound pretty terrible to me...
 
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Basically, if you really like Deluxe Reverb's, but want overdrive, you're going to need at least one pedal, no matter what.

Believe me, I know pedals are inconvenient. I've been playing professionally for 10 years, much of that time living in NYC, where every pound of gear and inch of floorspace is precious.

I really don't like using pedals, and for a long time tried to have my cake and eat it to: I wanted my blackface Deluxe Reverb, but wanted more overdrive capabilities.

I'd say, with a Silverface DR, ES350's right, you can mod the tone stack for a bit more gain and "tweed" type tone. But beyond this, it's like asking a vintage Mustang to be a modern SUV.


I know the other amps are expensive, but I'd honestly say, if you want the DR tone and overdrive in one amp, you're not going to find what you're looking for at a cheap price, no matter how hard you try.

You could get a Blues or Hot Rod Deluxe. I used to own a HRD, and it's a good amp in it's own way, and very versatile. But if you are familiar with BF Fenders, and want that sound, it's not going to get it. It's not a very complex sounding amp, and has sort of "boxy" mids.

I've come to realize, with a single amp, usually you can either have modern flexibility, or vintage tone and response. No multi-channel amp is ever going to feel or sound the same as a tweed or BF Fender, an old Vox or single channel Marshall.

The only exceptions are a few boutique amps that cost a lot of money. So you can either alter your expectations and playing style, use a pedal, or save up and buy a boutique amp.

BTW, because they're pcb, reissue Deluxe Reverbs circuits can't be modified.

I'd still say, if you love Deluxe Reverbs, and need an overdrive channel, track down a Deluxe Reverb II. They're not that expensive, (usually less than an early silverface,)
they sound great and will be exactly what you're looking for.

Otherwise, you're going to need pedals, or a different kind of amp.
 
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Yeah... turns out the DR is probably the closest thing I'll ever come to 'my' amp. I'd like however to also use it as a gain platform. Overall it's got the headroom + cleans I'd like, the capacity to break up where I want it to and of course I could always change the speaker... but still. I'd like a Blues to medium gain rock channel.

So I'd like to change the normal channel to a more rocky sound. I got advised removing the EQ and placing the volume right at the end of signal path (a la MV instead of 'gain' control). I also considered a gain control in between the two gain stages, i.e would involve keeping the volume control as a gain and add a MV pot (just for channel 1) somewhere... just a thought. All, on paper, easy mods. I hope!

So... for the DR gurus out there... doable?

Why not just use a stomp box? IMHO you are ruining a great sounding amp trying to make it do something its not made to do.

I have a 67 or 68 SF DR amp. I like it but don't love it...... for me it does not have enough headroom, so I am planning on changing out the speaker. I have a British made Vintage 30 I will be installing in it soon. A friend currently owns the speaker. He is coming out in a few weeks with it & then it goes right in. Once that is done I believe it may be my main gigging amp.
 
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Yeah I had a SF DR with original speaker, and that speaker SUCKED. I never got a new speaker before it being sold.

I LOVED the way that DR sounded with a MESA V-Twin in front of it. I would leave the pedal on so there was always an extra tube or two in the chain.
 
Re: Deluxe Reverb... Make the normal channel the gain channel and A/B them..?

DON'T RUIN A GOOD FENDER, Pierre. It's a horrible idea!
 
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Why not just use a stomp box? IMHO you are ruining a great sounding amp trying to make it do something its not made to do.

I have a 67 or 68 SF DR amp. I like it but don't love it...... for me it does not have enough headroom, so I am planning on changing out the speaker. I have a British made Vintage 30 I will be installing in it soon. A friend currently owns the speaker. He is coming out in a few weeks with it & then it goes right in. Once that is done I believe it may be my main gigging amp.

There are a couple ways to get more headroom.

A great trick is to do the Pete Anderson mod. I don't have all the specs off the top of my head but look it up. Basically it runs 6l6's, and you get almost twice the wattage.

I used to own a SF DR that had these mods done to it, and it was a great blues, jazz, country and r&b amp.


Anderson also would put a Celestion Blue in it. Mine had a Weber Blue-style speaker. These speakers, while they're not high wattage, are really sensitive and get a ton of volume.

Even just that speaker would give you more headroom. Personally, I found the Vintage 30 didn't do too much for volume and headroom, but it does give a nice overdrive tone.


I'm currently using Tone Tubbies, a Celestion Blue, and a Eminence Cannabis Rex in my DR's, (though I also have a Texas Heat.)
That Cannabis Rex is a great match, because it's very loud, has great headroom, and is a very clear, even speaker that never gets too bright or harsh.
 
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Alright fair enough guys... I've never played a Deluxe Reverb. But I do know for sure that the BF cleqn tone is where it's at for me! Will look into the DRII qnd see see what comes up :)

As for pedals, I think I have it covered right now hehe I'm a pretty **** avid pedal user :p I just would wish to have a very nice drive channel too. So I'd need an amp with BF cleans and a nice blues/hard rock OD too, and for some reason amongst the mass product amps out there, there's really not all that much. Most of the boutique brands I'd consider are mostly single channels vintage style amps, may as well get a SF Fender instead.

Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that it's all a compromise... live vs bedroom, clean traded for drive tones... The holy grail doesn't exist, so it seems I'd have to create it :p
 
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Rivera.

Trust me mang, nobody does Marshall and BF Fender better in one package than Rivera.
 
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I love single channel amps. I do most of my playing through a modded blues jnr and i find the following method gives a crap ton of versatility with very little hassle:

-amp set very clean and loud (theres your big fat clean fender tones)
-a line switcher of sorts (i use this http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/LS-2/) now you have your 2 or 3 channels
-with the line switche off you run straight into the amp for those great cleans
-channel A you have a nice boost to smack the preamp tubes and get some nice breakup
-channel B you can have some heavier OD, whatever suits your needs
-run channel A into channel B for even heavier sounds

Thats the set up have with my amp. It simplifies a lot of stuff cause you have lets say a clean boost on A for some nice rhythm crunch and then on B you have a crankted TS for lead. The advantage is you can keep both pedals switched on and use the line switched to tap between them so you dont have to dance around turning one pedal off and one on or whatever.

I know its still not the same as a two channel amp but its close in terms of functionality.
 
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