Did a PRS shootout: Here's the results.

Diego

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Since I'm on vacations, I decided to try one of my favorite activities: Trying guitars out.
Went to a shop, as empty as it should be on a Monday, and took three guitars to the test:

PRS SE 245 ($450.000 Chilean pesos):

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The lovely PRS S2 Standard I drooled about in my most recent thread here ($1.250.000 CLP):

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And a stunning 2008 PRS Hollowbody II just for the sake of it, and because the store owner liked my idea ($3.500.000 CLP)

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I tested them extensively and tried to find everything wrong with them. Basically getting to know what's what.

The PRS SE 245 was exactly the way I expected it to be. Still with the impressions from the S2 fresh in my head, I went into it and quickly found some minor faults. The fretwork isn't as smooth and somehow the frets felt tiny in comparison, despite being the same fret size as the S2. I think the S2 has a better crowning job. The tuners are a step below the locking tuners in the S2, and definitely the pickups are a bit more blah. The setup from factory was rather poor, surprisingly, with a too-high nut and some rough fret edges.

With that said, it plays, sounds and sustains well, it's comfortable to play, the weight balance felt excellent, it felt as dependable as it should be, and overall I think it's a top-class instrument on the budget bracket it belongs to. It decimates every Epiphones I've ever tried, and it's not far in quality from a Studio series Gibson. Sadly, it's flaws bring the results down, but I'm guessing it brings the price tag down as well.

Plugging the PRS S2 Standard afterwards felt like re-watching the same movie, except in HD this time. The pickups are better, the fretwork is simply exquisite and well-rounded, all the hardware feels chunkier and more reliable, and the tones and feel were a step up in every aspect. Coil splits are a nice addition.

While the factory setup was way better than the SE, I still feel it fell a bit short of the mark. But would I throw fresh strings into it and jump into any stage I got called into? Yes, without a doubt. In my opinion, this S2 kills every single Les Paul and SG I've ever tried, including a Traditional way over the S2's price tag.

Not saying it replaces a Les Paul. Nothing really does. But I don't have to have one, which is why I'd take this home instead.

Then it was time to test the most expensive guitar I've ever laid my hands on.

I knew that this PRS Hollowbody II had been sitting in the store for at least a couple of years, and you could notice. Dust everywhere, a strangely botched setup with strings so high it made no sense. But surprisingly the piezo battery still worked, which led me to try the blended piezo/standard clean tones and the balance of all the possibilities. The clean tones were simply unreal. Notes jumped out of the instrument, almost like it had a bit of compression going on by itself. Chords sounded beautifully complex and, for the lack of a better word, alive. It really floored me how good the sounds were.

I have to say that, while undoubtedly the best feeling guitar I've played by a huge margin, I would rather bring the S2 home. If anything, the Hollowbody felt too refined, sweet and delicate for my style of playing. I started playing differently because of it, and I just felt like going to a wedding ceremony with jeans and cowboy boots. But I can see where the extra money has gone to, and it's impressive. The lacquer finish made the S2 look like a Squier, and cosmetically it's only matched by a Framus I saw at a nearby store, and nothing else I've ever seen. It's incredible.

However... The fretwork and hardware felt no better than the S2, and I'm guessing a S2 Hollowbody would bring 90% of the results for less than half the price.

Would I buy a PRS SE 245? Frankly, no.

I think there's too many things to fix, and while definitely a step-up from my #1 guitar, I don't think the leap goes far enough. I'd definitely buy one used if the previous owner had put some money ironing the details out, but my heart's with the S2 Standard.

Sadly there wasn't a PRS SC 245 to try out, since it would have definitely blown my socks off:

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So that's it, my friends! Hope you enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed testing these sweet guitars. I guess I might try a Gibson shootout next time?
 
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Nice report. Next time I'm running around near a shop, I'll have to check out the S2's. To be honest, I was never wowed by the SE's. Granted, I've only checked out a few but I still think the name on the headstock gets the SE's more praise than they earn on their own. And I don't own any high dollar guitars. It's probably just me, and my opinion is worth what it costs. I'll duck and cover for the flames that may follow. :eek13:
 
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To be honest, some of the SEs I've tried have been... strange. I remember a Santana model I tried not being too much good.

I've consistenly had less than impressive experience with the trem-equipped SE models, now that I think of it.
 
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I really love my SE Singlecut. But, I know that there are better guitars out there. I play what I can afford and an expensive core model is way out of my price range. Heck, even the S2's are too rich for me.

Thanks for the shootout.

Was the SE245 made in Korea or Indonesia?
 
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I really love my SE Singlecut. But, I know that there are better guitars out there. I play what I can afford and an expensive core model is way out of my price range. Heck, even the S2's are too rich for me.

Thanks for the shootout.

Was the SE245 made in Korea or Indonesia?

Indonesia, and I totally forgot to bring that up. Indonesia is the new Korea for sure.
Does anyone keep making guitars in Korea anyway?

I hope I can afford an S2 someday, man. You ever tried one? If you love your SE you'll go nuts, like I did.
 
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You said you found "flaws" in the SE 245, but you really didn't, according to your story. You just found that the S2 line guitar, which is twice as expensive, has better materials and a little more attention to fret finish. It would have surprised me if you hadn't found that. I wish I didn't have to drive 2-1/2 hours to get to a real guitar store so I could try more guitars before buying them. I only got to try the very first S2 models that came out.

I wish they would make the S2 Singlecut in the shorter scale length like the SE 245. I would also like to see an S2 standard 22-fret with the stoptail like these singlecuts have.
 
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I guess that's a good way to put it. The SE was a little bit less of everything: Less resonant, lesser fretwork quality, lesser hardware. Less attention to detail.
And still it made for a excellent guitar.

I imagine that if you try several SE guitars, you'll find a few with those details ironed out.
If you find one, it would make for an absolute steal.

EDIT: I'm not considering a PRS SE 245 only because my #1 (Ibanez SZ320) is one hell of a steal on it's own.
I paid $180.000 for it, compared to the $450.000 the 245 costs, and I've dropped about $150k on it (Bone nut, fret crowning, CTS pots, Switchcraft 3-way and Duncans) so it's quite a giant slayer at this point.
 
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Here's my take on Core vs SE.

Core... best guitar I've ever played. Incredible clarity and notes just explode off the fretboard. Sustain.... lets just say that I put it down to go for a piss, and when I came back the guitar was still ringing.

SE... I bought it to use as a beater I could take places I didn't want to bring an expensive guitar. I thought I was basically buying an Epiphone... turns out it's a killer guitar. Stock; the SE action sits high, but inside the case is a note saying to adjust the truss rod before touching the bridge. Once I adjusted the truss rod the SE had the same low action, perfect intonation and basically flat neck as my Core. I haven't adjusted a thing since.

So far as I understand, most SEs are spec'd with smaller frets than the S2/Core guitars. When I first pick the guitar up I find it a little harder to dig my fingers under the strings for bigger bends, but after a few minutes I get used to it and it's not a big deal anymore.

In fairness, not all SEs were equal. Some I tried were pretty rough... I think they were SE Standards.

The few S2s I've tried were a solid step above an SE.

I'd gladly gig any of them. I'd like to get an SE Baritone.

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"Notes just explode off the fretboard".

Exactly the same thing I felt with the Hollowbody. And that thing was far away from a proper setup so I couldn't judge playability. But that tone...
Great picture BTW man. That's a terrific setup there and I really want to try that exact SE model you have but no stores have it in stock here.
 
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Indonesia, and I totally forgot to bring that up. Indonesia is the new Korea for sure.
Does anyone keep making guitars in Korea anyway?

I hope I can afford an S2 someday, man. You ever tried one? If you love your SE you'll go nuts, like I did.
My new Strandberg was made in Korea, as are Schecter and a few other brands. The race to the bottom price-wise has been hard on Korean guitar production with only one factory remaining. The premium Asian stuff gets built in Japan while the cheap stuff is now manufactured in China or Indonesia.

My personal experience with the SE line has been mixed. The early ones that didn't even say "PRS" on them were jaw-droopingly good for the price and could hold their own with some of PRS' US-made instruments. I owned a Tremonti SE for a while. It was a pretty good--but definitely not great--instrument. Somewhere along the way, they started cutting corners on things like hardware and the ones I tried 6-8 years ago didn't hold tune or play nearly as well as the earlier ones. After that, they pretty much fell off my radar, partly because of my disappointment and partly because my interests shifted to other brands.

As long as I'm talking about PRS this week, I'll point out that I got to interview Paul Smith last week at NAMM. Not your usual set of interview questions. ;)
 
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My new Strandberg was made in Korea, as are Schecter and a few other brands. The race to the bottom price-wise has been hard on Korean guitar production with only one factory remaining. The premium Asian stuff gets built in Japan while the cheap stuff is now manufactured in China or Indonesia.

My personal experience with the SE line has been mixed. The early ones that didn't even say "PRS" on them were jaw-droopingly good for the price and could hold their own with some of PRS' US-made instruments. I owned a Tremonti SE for a while. It was a pretty good--but definitely not great--instrument. Somewhere along the way, they started cutting corners on things like hardware and the ones I tried 6-8 years ago didn't hold tune or play nearly as well as the earlier ones. After that, they pretty much fell off my radar, partly because of my disappointment and partly because my interests shifted to other brands.

As long as I'm talking about PRS this week, I'll point out that I got to interview Paul Smith last week at NAMM. Not your usual set of interview questions. ;)

Great interview! I thoroughly enjoyed it. As far as my opinion on PRS: I've sold several US made guitars from other brands...for SE's.
 
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While I don't really want to overstate how good my SE is (it's a great guitar, but the S2s I've played are an obvious step above it... and the Cores are an obvious step above the S2s)... I sold my SG to get it (Gibson '61 re-issue) and I feel I came out ahead on the deal.
 
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