Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

stratguy23

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For a sludge/stoner/doom project, I'm thinking of either getting a 6-string guitar set up in B (standard or drop) or a standard-tuned 7-string.

Can anyone here insightfully compare the difference in experience between both?

I'm not looking for obvious things like "difference is 1 more string". I'm talking about things like fretboard positions (for example, B blues soloing would be in 12th position on 6-string and 7th fret on 7-string), maintenance/parts replacement, pick hand posture, overall mentality, etc.

Assume that neck comfort is NOT an issue, as regardless of # of strings, I would choose a guitar with a neck comfortable for me.
 
Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

The difference will be in what you are most comfortable using and what your overall plans are when writing. I have and have used both 7 and 6 strings tuned down to B and A, standard and drop. The biggest difference for me, besides things like scale length, is having the extra high string when writing. It's nice to have in some instances (I write more in a black/death style), especially if you plan on using a lot of big chords or intricate leads over the heavier chord/single note riffs.

I admittedly use my 6 strings more now tuned to D standard and use my 7, also tuned a whole step down, as another tool when writing. It allows me to add a bit of low end depth to my songs when needed without losing any of the high end range as well. I hope that helps.

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Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

For me, a 7-string just adds a string to a 6-string guitar. It's up to you whether you want to tune it down or whatever. Normally it's just a six-string guitar built-in. Personally, I have kept my seven only in standard tuning, to match how I would usually tune a similar six-string guitar.

I see a downtuned six as something very different. It doesn't add a string; it takes the six that are there and shifts them down, often going up quite a bit in gauge. Suddenly your open strings don't sound the same, and every spot on the fretboard is a new note compared to what you're used to. It's harder for me to get used to that than it is for me to take to a seven-string.

I do like a baritone, though.
 
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Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

The biggest difference for me, besides things like scale length, is having the extra high string when writing. It's nice to have in some instances (I write more in a black/death style), especially if you plan on using a lot of big chords or intricate leads over the heavier chord/single note riffs.

That's a really good observation. I could see how all 7 strings would be useful for someone like Trey Azagthoth. I don't foresee using a lot of big chords, but I may want to solo over my own rhythms (using a looper). Hmm....

I see a downtuned six as something very different. It doesn't add a string; it takes the six that are there and shifts them down, often going up quite a bit in gauge. Suddenly your open strings don't sound the same, and every spot on the fretboard is a new note compared to what you're used to.

I get what you're saying. Whenever I try a 7 in a store, I often feel "shred-dy", whereas with downtuned 6s, I feel like everything is just more manly.

These are very helpful answers - keep 'em coming!
 
Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

Can anyone here insightfully compare the difference in experience between both?

Well they are different, like, totally different from the player's point of view. Not even in the same ballpark. It's a whole different animal really, much like bass, classical or flamenco; the physics are the same but the choreography - not even close.

If you just want to extend the range of power chords available at your fingertips downward by some 5 semitones with minimum disturbance in the upper strings layout, the shortest way to get there is getting a seven. It's just one more string, right?

Then, there are 7 string arpeggio patterns that imply surprisingly regular rhythms in a way that makes notes just fall into the "right" spots all by themselves. Fit players often augment this phenomenon of "notes within reach" with two hand tapping. Shreddy indeed just like Trey and the Gang.

But then from a harmonic point of view, there are (too many) chord voicings that are just a bit too awkward to pull off on a 7 whose neck width hinders thumb-over reach and whose scale length, again, typically doesn't work in your favor when fretting a wide stretch.

As counterintuitive as it might be, the 6 string is more conductive to high polyphony than the 7. To put it bluntly, seven strings suck for chord work; their "built-in six" is the most uncomfortable of sixes so, instead of going bass-ackwards, you are better off developing a whole new style on the seven than trying to adapt six-string-specific licks and finding out you're always a finger short.
Just an opinion, sure but if you want facts, go figure how seven string players embrace means of expression such as single notes, dyads and omitted chord tones - all of which are low-polyphony by definition.

Cowboy chords, on the other hand - being widely voiced triads with some of the chord tones repeated in the upper octave - are fundamental building blocks of the six-string world. Relatively easy to grab on the neck thanks to the strategically placed major third between the second and third string, allowing full-on all-string strums of the picking hand with the minimum of muting. But not on a seven. Once you gain command of CAGED, you're in the game. But not on a seven.

To sum it up, if you have to ask, you may just need both because neither makes up for the other.
Each is going to make you play and compose different things, each could teach you something new because they need a different approach: collective vs selective picking being an example. Point scored for not ignoring the ergonomics of the whole affair since all the practice in the world won't grow you an extra finger. Push your boundaries but do not ignore them.

For blues soloing none of it really matters 'cause it is nothing about numbers.
 
Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

I'm a Drop A and Drop B playing and use a 6 string and that's what I find comfortable though with a 25.5 scale getting thick enough strings is a pain sometimes, especially since I like a lot of tension but 7 string necks are just uncomfortable for me but 8 strings are comfy for me,
If a seven is comfortable then probably go for that because it's easier to get strings you need but again it all depends on how you play and what you find comfortable.



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Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

Well there's a few reasons why you would use a seven. As others have said, sevens do actually have a larger range. Drop tuning on a six string may give you lower notes, but it also lowers your high range. Sevens also can have longer scale lengths, making those lower notes tighter, which improves muddiness in low tuned metal riffs.
 
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Owning 2 7s and multiple 6s, I'm finding that it takes a bit of practice to not hit the 7th unintentionally when picking, because I've spent so many years with just 6 and I expect the top-most string to be the E (or D if I've tuned it down).

Major chords are definitely a pain due to the extra width, at least for me.

I think one of the biggest features of the 7 you get will be how the pickups are mounted. Duncan has 2 styles: active and passive. These relate to the shape of the route in the body - active style is a rectangle with no tab cutouts. Passive style is like a regular 6-string/Les Paul route with the tab cutouts. If you get a 7-string with EMGs, you won't be able to drop a JB-7 in there. You'll have to special order the "active mount" JB-7, which puts the pickup in an "active style" housing to retrofit EMGs.
And of course, if the one you get comes with passives, and you want to change them to EMGs, you're probably going to have to route the corners.

Then again, if the 7-string has a pickguard with a swimming pool route, you should be good.
 
Re: Difference in experience between 7-string and downtuned 6-string

I have to say thank you for the very thoughtful replies to my question. You guys hit it out of the park. It's nice not to have the usual "look at this pretty guitar/amp/etc." thread.

I had a 7 briefly, a low-quality one, not long enough to get the feel of it. I've had a few downtuned 6s, so I'm more familiar with those. I think I need to get a good 7 and spend some time with it to see if I can approach it as its own thing, not a substitute for a downtuned 6.
 
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