Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

britishgeetah

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List some of benefits of an octave pedal compared to just getting the DigitechWhammy...and this is for octave up effects...



also, recommend some octave up effects, while you're here.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

What exactally are you looking for? Having a fuzztone and a Whammy pedal is not the same as having an octave/fuzz like an Octavia...I have a Fulltone Ultimate Octave as well as several other fuzzes as well as an original WH-1 Whammy pedal and belive me there is a hige difference in them all.
 
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Well, my main goal was to just make more interesting sounding rock solos and an expressive octave thing would probably look the best. Jus it's quite pricey and maybe just a simple octave effect would do.

Do you got soundclips of you playing with the octave? :D
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

Boss OC-2 or OC-3 does the up octave pretty well. I don't think the Whammy is a very good octave down pedal since it does the +octave and the harmonizing thing pretty well. But, then again, I don't really think the Whammy is great for anything other than ear-piercing crazy-a$$ solos, so that may be your best bet.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

I do not have any lips of the octave stuff...also, the Boss Octave boxes do NOT do an octave up...only down.

If you want to add a different flavor the octave up/fuzz stuff is cool (Octavia, Proctavia, etc) but for mind melting/pitch bending FX nothing beats the Whammy pedal, that said the newer ones and the reissues just don't stack up to the old ones...
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

alright thanks



mind melting ear-piercing tom morello esque sounds are what i'm looking for.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

Again...what do you need? Are you looking for clean octave tones, are you looking for vintage Hendrix style fuzzy octave sounds, do you want a straight up or do you want to bend up? Do you have a sound in mind or are you just wanting something different?
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

yah, just edited my post a bit. (the first was directed at closed eye)
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

Tom Morello uses the digitech whammy pedal Im pretty sure...Also Jack White of The White stripes uses the whammy pedal for all of his octave up effects...good luck finding what your looking for.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

the guy who invented fire said:
I do not have any lips of the octave stuff...also, the Boss Octave boxes do NOT do an octave up...only down.

Correct! My brain confused the OC's ability to "harmonize" solos with doing an octave up effect. My bad, the guy. Thanks for preventing me from spreading misinformation.

the guy who invented fire said:
If you want to add a different flavor the octave up/fuzz stuff is cool (Octavia, Proctavia, etc) but for mind melting/pitch bending FX nothing beats the Whammy pedal, that said the newer ones and the reissues just don't stack up to the old ones...

False! There is no discernable difference in real life nor in recordings between the old Whammy and the new reissue Whammy IV...except that people pay way too much for the old one...however, the two Whammy's in between are a little crappy since they don't track as well as the "classic" nor the reissue...

britishgeetah said:
mind melting ear-piercing tom morello esque sounds are what i'm looking for.

Then the Whammy is for you! Beware high prices on the "classic" one and stay far away from the Whammy II and Whammy XP-100 because they suck (relatively speaking of course).

Have you heard Muse? I believe in the solo for "Hysteria" Matt Bellamy abuses the Whammy IV both live and in the studio.
 
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britishgeetah said:
alright thanks
mind melting ear-piercing tom morello esque sounds are what i'm looking for.

Tom does all his octave up and down as well as all his pitch bending with an old WH-1 Whammy...same one I have!

I think thats what you're looking for...
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

Closed Eye said:
False! There is no discernable difference in real life nor in recordings between the old Whammy and the new reissue Whammy IV...except that people pay way too much for the old one...however, the two Whammy's in between are a little crappy since they don't track as well as the "classic" nor the reissue...


Sorry bro, you are wrong on this...Here is a cut and paste from Analog Man's FAQ about the Whammy Pedal. I will also add that I own a WH-1 and had a Whammy II as well as a reissue and the original is the best sounding of the 3 no doubt...

Whammy pedals
Why does everybody seem to prefer the old wh-1 Whammy over the new one?
The Whammy II had redesigned "improvements" made when over the original whammy when it was released. The biggest mistake was putting the input gain control in there - if you don't get the adjustment "just right" then it will not track the input pitch properly and, even if you do get it right, as the input decays the pitch tracking will eventually lose its "lock" on the signal.

The original WH-1 Whammy had a special circuit that the Whammy II does not (thus no "input level" control), allowing almost any input signal level to be dynamically scaled so that the pitch tracking can "lock on" faultlessly. This also meant that as the signal level decayed, the pitch would remain locked due to the scaling action. The Whammy II loses lock on the signal as it decays, resulting in a highly unpleasant "warbling" sound which you may have noticed if you've used one.

Why was the whammy modified?

The old red Whammy was probably changed because it was quite expensive and not selling as well as it could be. On most newer mass-marketed pedals, the price/cost is the main feature. In reality, the Whammy-II ended up costing almost as much (and even more in some areas) and people didn't like it nearly as much. It had some cool features (you didn't have to bend down to change modes, and it had the "toggle" feature to switch between your two favorites) but it did not SOUND the same, and it was a little less robust than the original version.

How about the reissue whammy?

It seems that they did not use the exact same algorithms as the original so they still don't sound quite as good. The original manual has a note Copyright 1990 IVL Technologies Ltd, looks like they were the ones who designed this pedal for DOD. You can find the manual on www.digitech.com.

Can you modify the reissue whammy?

No, we don't do any work on those due to the construction making it very difficult. We do a lot of true bypass mods on the original WH-1 pedal, even though it is a difficult job, because they are valuable and sound great. The bypass mod on a WH-1 is $60 plus S & H.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

the guy who invented fire said:
How about the reissue whammy?

It seems that they did not use the exact same algorithms as the original so they still don't sound quite as good. The original manual has a note Copyright 1990 IVL Technologies Ltd, looks like they were the ones who designed this pedal for DOD. You can find the manual on www.digitech.com.

Well, you know that's most definantly right (and I didn't know that either, so thanks for the info!), but I can't hear the difference and doubt anybody else who wants to Whammy their solos or lead lines without giving a rip about the older Whammy can either.

I'm sure if you A/B'd them you could hear it, but when I play the notes to "Killing in the Name", "Ashes in the Fall", "War Within In A Breath", and "Like A Stone" on the Whammy IV (which I actually sold...d'oh!) it sounds exactly like on the recordings and during live shows Tom has played on the older Whammy.

Why toss $400+ into the "old" Whammy when you can get the same sound (with, to me anyway, a negliable difference) for $200 from either the Whammy IV or the EX-7 Expression Factory? I don't think either are a waste of money in comparison to the grand theft pedal criminal prices people stick on the classic Whammy.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

I have A/B'ed the original and the reissue and I also had the Whammy II for a a short time and I can tell a difference, weather it's $300 worth of difference depends on the player, however I bought my old WH-1 in a pawn shop years ago (even before the Whammy II) for a very, very fair price!
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

the guy who invented fire said:
I have A/B'ed the original and the reissue and I also had the Whammy II for a a short time and I can tell a difference, weather it's $300 worth of difference depends on the player, however I bought my old WH-1 in a pawn shop years ago (even before the Whammy II) for a very, very fair price!

Getting the WH-1 for a fair price these days is unheard of unless you've got somebody who's been living under a rock for past ten years. I dunno, I generally steer people away from the WH-1 because money is a BIG issue most of the time but, hey, if it's not or if you get a deal I would always say to buy the original!
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

I wonder if it'd be possible to clone a WH-1...
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

Man, I got mine close to 10 years ago in a pawn shop in 9.9 out of 10 condition with the power adapter, book and original box!

I do like them and IMO the original is better than the others (including the reissue) but I would never pay the prices they command today!
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

For what the new one costs used (usually around $120 in good shape), they're pretty tough to beat. There are some presets that start sounding pretty digital and nasty, like superfast high notes or really fast chords shifted 2 octaves up. However, the octave down setting tracks perfectly, and I am doing all sorts of things that typically screw up pitch shifters (hot pickup, low tunings, tons of gain).
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

joelap said:
I wonder if it'd be possible to clone a WH-1...

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible. I believe part of the reason why Digitech's later models of the Whammy were so different was because some parts (that were crucial to the tracking process) weren't available anymore.

No reissue tracks near as well as the original WH-1, so you're not saving as much money as you think by going the cheaper route.
 
Re: Digitech Whammy in camparison to Proctavia/various ocatve effects?

the guy who invented fire said:
Man, I got mine close to 10 years ago in a pawn shop in 9.9 out of 10 condition with the power adapter, book and original box!

I do like them and IMO the original is better than the others (including the reissue) but I would never pay the prices they command today!


I tell you guys this. Christian and I did a little bit of pedal shooting out yesterday afternoon and he brought his Whammy over. Keep in mind I have never used a Whammy before. The end result: that is the coolest flippin' pedal ever! I really have no use for one, but I would still love to have one just to honk around with.
 
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