Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

The true strength of the aph1 bridge is the 1st fret F chord.

Few people play full chords, even dropping the third, while under gain. With the aph1 in the bridge you can pull this off. Sounds like wall of sound. If you ever attended an Alice Cooper show with Keri Kelli you know what I mean.

Is the slash really different enough that I need to track one down for testing?

YES :D

it is a totally different beast but with the same basic DNA. more grit, bit more dirt and a touch more output.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

YES :D

it is a totally different beast but with the same basic DNA. more grit, bit more dirt and a touch more output.

So before the aph2 set was released Slash was said to use the aph1 set. Did he switch to higher wind pickups or what's going on?
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

I'm interested to find out how a Slash set compares with the 59 set in one if my LS116F's - I've got the pickups, I just need to fit them. I wanted to record the 59's in that guitar first but my music PC has gone belly up, so I may have to forgo that in the interests of forward progress.

The Slash set is now in. Unfortunately, due to the time of day, I can't really try them out. I ran them through the eBand, but I would consider that much more than proving that the soldering was OK. I put a couple of Orange Drops in at the same time.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

I don't see that at all. PGB's are much brighter than the bridges of Seth's and A2P's, and PGN's are warmer then the necks of those two. There's a lot of contrast in EQ between a PGN and a PGB. I think Seth's and A2P's balance together much better with the bridges and necks.

The Slash set is a different animal than the regular APH. There is more top end bite. I know in the past I have read that you don't care for signature sets. I can assure you that the Slas set is different that the regular APH set. IMHO, the Slash set addresses everything I felt was a short coming of the APH.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

The Slash set is a different animal than the regular APH. There is more top end bite. I know in the past I have read that you don't care for signature sets. I can assure you that the Slas set is different that the regular APH set. IMHO, the Slash set addresses everything I felt was a short coming of the APH.

I don't hear any shortcomings with my A2P set, so I never felt the need to try the Slash set. I certainly don't want a warmer neck model. Of Duncan's PAF-ish HB's, I like A2P's second only to Seth's.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

The neck is really nice. Similar to the APH but with a slight sparkle on the top end. The bridge model has a APH meets P90 vibe.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

I do love a seth/59 hybrid

Hi orpheo,

I still have to experience this hybrid for myself, so tell me: are we talking neck p'up coils of both p'ups?

Which combo sounds best for you, a '59 screw coil/Seth slug coil or viceversa?

Inquiring minds would like to know. :cool2:
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

See, I was always under the impression that the Slash set was just a tweaked A2P. Players do that, get a little extra this here, or less that there, to make their new guitar sound like their old guitar with whatever they were famous for sound.

Again - I'd like a REALLY clear sound side by side example of this.

Don't tell me Duncan doesn't have a quick change harness for this purpose.

Basically, though, what I'm hearing is that the new Slash set is either a PG, or a 59!
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

See, I was always under the impression that the Slash set was just a tweaked A2P. Players do that, get a little extra this here, or less that there, to make their new guitar sound like their old guitar with whatever they were famous for sound.

Again - I'd like a REALLY clear sound side by side example of this.

Don't tell me Duncan doesn't have a quick change harness for this purpose.

What I find confusing is that half of the statements here say it's higher wind and the other half says it has more treble. While it's not impossible that is likely not going together.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

What I find confusing is that half of the statements here say it's higher wind and the other half says it has more treble. While it's not impossible that is likely not going together.

Compared to an A2P set, I assume that increased windings and greater resistence mean both a warmer neck and bridge for the Slash set.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

I've just spent a little while tinkering with a few of mine to see what impressions I got of the different SD PAFs fitted in them at the moment. The main test candidates were:

Tokai LS116F - Slash set (59's fitted until 3 days back)

PRS SE Korina - WLH set

Cort Source - Seth set

They are quite different guitars construction wise, but I don't think that prevents making one or two observations about the tonal characteristics of the different pickups. The amp I used was my 5w Ampmakers SE5a and I just used whatever setting it was set to last time I used it (Using clockface equivalent: G=1:30, B=10, M=2:30, T=1, V=12). Given the nature of the amp, it was pretty much a clean setting, just capable of pushing through into breakup at bedroom levels, through a Hayden 2x12" cab. This was the same setting I had it on the last time I played the Tokai wiith the 59's in it. The impressions then...

Slash set: The sound is very smooth, and though I didn't have much play time on it with the 59's fitted, I'd say the swap has very much pushed the mids to the fore - the tone seems to have filled out more than anything. Once I'd adjusted the bridge pickup height on the low E side, my impression was that it Slash pups had no less bass than the 59's, but that the high end didn't seem quite as prominent, though they do seem to have a very nice glossy sheen to big chords in particular. I didn't think of them as being overly bright at all. Lastly the balance between neck and middle was very good - unlike the PG's I commented on last month, when they were in the now departed SG, the Slash set does play like a set.

WLH set: First off, the weight difference between the SE Korina and the Tokai is significant, with the former much like the SG in both bulk and weight. The overiding impression with the WLH set is aggression. They have a lot more bite to them and the mids are not as prominent those on the Tokai. That said, wouldn't describe them as being scooped. I'd say that, of the three, this was the best at pushing the amp into break-up, though it's also the one I've played most and am most relaxed with when playing - basically, I probably play it harder than I would the other two, as I don't need to think about where exactly things are so much. Again, the WLH set is well balanced between neck and bridge.

Seth set: Much brighter than the other two and pefectly the capable of sounding quite raw, but not with the amp settings I was using here tonight. It was the one guitar that wasn't really capable pushing the amp into break-up on the noted settings. In many ways the sound was quite thin, but the Cort is a 335 style semi, and perhaps should be expected to be some way tonally removed from the other two. I didn't play it for more than a couple of minutes, and I do know it's capable of giving up more of the goods than it did in this little test.

I've no idea whether that's useful or not to people, but feel free to ask questions.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

What I find confusing is that half of the statements here say it's higher wind and the other half says it has more treble. While it's not impossible that is likely not going together.


They messed with the coils. It IS higher output. It IS more powerful sounding, but its not like a overwind..like the diff between a BB1,2, and 3 whereas the pup starts to get thicker in the mids and more nasal, while reducing lows and highs. The Slashers are still clear as a bell.

Maybe some folks should just try them like Chris did, , instead of doubting those of us who own them and know exactly what they sound like..
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

They messed with the coils. It IS higher output. It IS more powerful sounding, but its not like a overwind..like the diff between a BB1,2, and 3 whereas the pup starts to get thicker in the mids and more nasal, while reducing lows and highs. The Slashers are still clear as a bell.

Maybe some folks should just try them like Chris did, , instead of doubting those of us who own them and know exactly what they sound like..

Sure but it's a chicken and egg problem. A lot of the usual gear flippers are wary of endorsement BS and few of these things enter the market.

Compare Slash and Harris P bass with the black winter. The black winter has no acceptable problems.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

Not an excuse for assumptions and baseless speculation in this thread from those who have never played the Slash set, let alone own it.
 
Re: Dilemma - Seth Lovers or Slash Alnico II Pro

Not an excuse for assumptions and baseless speculation in this thread from those who have never played the Slash set, let alone own it.

Endorsement stuff makes my BS-meter go up, can't help it.
 
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