Dimarzio Air Zone is Really, Really Good

I'm not confused about anything, and if you want to be the misconception police then start with your own commentary. I remember what I read about it a few years back so I'm not mistaken. It's pretty clear from the description I quoted directly from Dimarzio that the AT-1 and PAF 36 share a similar pedigree. I'm not interested in arguing semantics but I don't find your pedantics amusing.

It really doesn't matter because I own and play all 3 of them, among many other Dimarzios, Duncans, and several other brands. My descriptions are accurate and my assessments are sound. If you disagree then OK, you have that freedom. Personally, I'd rather contest something that matters.

So, your unfounded recollection trumps facts? Ok...

Just checked and, according to DiMarzio's own website, the AT-1 was designed in 2001. The 36th was designed in 2008.

Most of us that were around at that time know that the 36th replaced the Virtual "Hot" PAF in their lineup. The 36th and AT-1 did hit retail shelves around the same time (2008-09), as the AT-1 was previously only available on Andy Timmons' signature Ibanez guitar. This is why their "part numbers" are so close (DP223 vs DP224), but the AT-1 was definitely created many years before the 36th was ever thought of.

Without getting into the physical differences between an 8.6K "PAF" style pickup and a 16.5K high output humbucker that prevent one from being just a "tweaked" version of the other, if you can't fathom that the two are unrelated aside from the "Virtual Vintage" and "Airbucker" construction methods, why don't you write DiMarzio and get an "official" answer instead of turning this into a blind argument full of personal attacks based solely on your memory?
 
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So, your unfounded recollection trumps facts? Ok...

Just checked and, according to DiMarzio's own website, the AT-1 was designed in 2001. The 36th was designed in 2008.

Most of us that were around at that time know that the 36th replaced the Virtual "Hot" PAF in their lineup. The 36th and AT-1 did hit retail shelves around the same time (2008-09), as the AT-1 was previously only available on Andy Timmons' signature Ibanez guitar. This is why their "part numbers" are so close (DP223 vs DP224), but the AT-1 was definitely created many years before the 36th was ever thought of.

Without getting into the physical differences between an 8.6K "PAF" style pickup and a 16.5K high output humbucker that prevent one from being just a "tweaked" version of the other, if you can't fathom that the two are unrelated aside from the "Virtual Vintage" and "Airbucker" construction methods, why don't you write DiMarzio and get an "official" answer instead of turning this into a blind argument full of personal attacks based solely on your memory?

Dude, nobody cares about your whole blurb. Hey, if you want to be king pickup expert and squabble over useless things then good for you and good luck with all that. Just make sure when you babble that you at least understand what was said in the first place. I didn't say anything authoritatively when I spoke. I used words like, "I think" and "I remember reading..." so regardless of your ambition to be misinformation czar of the Duncan forums, it's totally unnecessary. The "personal attacks" are all from you. In fact, your intention in joining this thread was never to be a helpful contributor to the topic but a didactic little gaslighter bent on trying to disparage other people's opinions while elevating the authority of your own. It's petty and worthless conduct that I don't care for so of you want to keep it up, I'll put you on my ignore list and you can go argue with a rock or something.
 
Dude, nobody cares about your whole blurb. Hey, if you want to be king pickup expert and squabble over useless things then good for you and good luck with all that. Just make sure when you babble that you at least understand what was said in the first place. I didn't say anything authoritatively when I spoke. I used words like, "I think" and "I remember reading..." so regardless of your ambition to be misinformation czar of the Duncan forums, it's totally unnecessary. The "personal attacks" are all from you. In fact, your intention in joining this thread was never to be a helpful contributor to the topic but a didactic little gaslighter bent on trying to disparage other people's opinions while elevating the authority of your own. It's petty and worthless conduct that I don't care for so of you want to keep it up, I'll put you on my ignore list and you can go argue with a rock or something.

Actually, I think you are the one who is out of line here. Your information seems to be useless and without authority.
Masta' C is a well respected member of this forum who has always contributed accurate information and help to other forum members without any "personal attacks".

It is true that we all have a right to our opinions. It is also is our right to express an opinion that someone else's opinion may be incorrect. Stating one's opinion in any of these cases is not necessarily a personal attack.
 
Actually, I think you are the one who is out of line here. Your information seems to be useless and without authority.
Masta' C is a well respected member of this forum who has always contributed accurate information and help to other forum members without any "personal attacks".

It is true that we all have a right to our opinions. It is also is our right to express an opinion that someone else's opinion may be incorrect. Stating one's opinion in any of these cases is not necessarily a personal attack.

LOL! Who are you and what education do you have that makes you so superior? Sorry but you don't know who you're talking to. I don't care what you think about my opinion because, but if you're going to puke things like, "Your information seems to be useless and without authority," then at least demonstrate the intelligence to explain exactly why.

Apparently, your only purpose in this thread is to come to the defense of your little forum bro. It's irrelevant and useless so don't be a hypocrite. Evidently you didn't bother reading anything I posted except for my reaponse to your little bro, but I did mention that I own all three pickups.

Not only that but I'm a woodworker/luthier and have built dozens of guitars. I'm no slouch as a player either. If you want to compare educations then we can do that too. Therefore, your assessment that my "information is useless and without authority" is pitiful because I'm not some forum goon who can't reason or discern anything. So I'll ask you again, who do you think you are and what makes you so superior to me that you can talk down to me this way?

Look, if someone insults me or shows me attitude, I'll show it right back. If you have a problem with that then go join the snowflake club so you'll have a safe space. This thread is about a certain pickup so please spare me all the off-topic jive because I'm not interested in the drama. If Masta C wants respect then he also needs to convey respect. I suggest the same to you because the whole forum seniority thing is crusty and old.
 
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I really wished they'd offer an unaired version of the 36th Anni. Those pickups are fantastic, I just find them a little (unccessesarily) weak.
 
I really wished they'd offer an unaired version of the 36th Anni. Those pickups are fantastic, I just find them a little (unccessesarily) weak.

I've removed the little plastic spacer rings before. The pickup seemed to work fine. Does anyone sell slightly larger magnets that might still fit but provide a little more output?
 
Apologies for the hijack...

How does the Air Zone compare to the Super Distortion? I've always loved the Super Distortion, but it's the only non-Duncan aftermarket pickup I've ever used.

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Apologies for the hijack...

How does the Air Zone compare to the Super Distortion? I've always loved the Super Distortion, but it's the only non-Duncan aftermarket pickup I've ever used.

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It kinda doesn't. Completely different pickups. The Super Distortion is big, bold, and loud. The Air Zone is smooth, fat, yet controlled.
 
It kinda doesn't. Completely different pickups. The Super Distortion is big, bold, and loud. The Air Zone is smooth, fat, yet controlled.

This is pretty much it. The Air Zone is sort of like a Tone Zone in a tuxedo - like James Bond, coolness and controlled aggression. The Super Distortion is just like Rex Rocker concisely described.

It's important to note that the Super Distortion, sometimes errantly described as an 80s metal/rock pickup, it capable of a good range of tones. It's actually pretty versatile considering it's in the high output category. It's also classic in the sense that it's not limited to the tones of any particular era. It has a good tolerance in pickup height, so you can lower it away from the strings without losing sustain, and balance it with a weaker neck pickup.

As for clean tones, the Super Distortion is as subjective as any other low mid/mid-centric pickup. Some people prefer scooped mids for clean tones, others like full, warm low end and mids. Depending on your playing style, it can sound really good on a very clean amp. I heard a local jazz guitarist who uses a Super Distortion bridge play amazing cleans and light crunch tones all night. A lot of people tens to say certain pickups are only good for this or that until someone comes along and makes it shine.

The Air Zone, however, does have broader versatility. It has just enough output to push a clean amp into breakup, though the Super Distortion grows a little more hair. It has a big midrange and fairly broad high end, so it's aggressive enough for modern metal, but not for a real grinding, extreme sound. The heavy midrange means you can scoop some mids out and not sound thin or icepicky. It does have a big low end and low mids but rather open, not congested, because there's some character of Air within the frequencies. This makes it quite articulate, and this is also good for heavy riffing as well as overdirven or clean soloing. Even with heavy distortion, it retains enough clarity to hear individual notes of a chord.

As for cleans, well I think it's awesome because of it's unique nature and fairly open, airy tone, but the mids are very prominent and the highs aren't really glassy. I've hear that it's fantastic for coil-splitting but have never tried that. Like I said, clean tones are probably more subjective than distortion tones so it depends on who is playing it.
 
Has anyone tried the Tone Zone and the Air Zone in the same guitar? I have a Tone Zone in a Strat, and I like it, but I was thinking of airing it (I de-aired a Norton recently, so I have the poles and spacers) to drop the output and hopefully make it a bit more versatile and sound better for clean tones.

My concerns:
  • I was afraid airing it would shave off some highs, which I really don’t want to lose, but the Dimarzio site shows the Air Zone as having a bit more highs than the Tone Zone. The Air Zone seems to lose a bit of mids though, which I’d be okay with.
  • Palm muting under a lot of gain is a big part of my playing, and I don’t want the low end to get mushy after airing it. I run the Tone Zone with a capacitor in series to shave off a bit of low end and tighten it up, which I suspect I’ll need to do with the Air Zone too, but I know the air technology is intended to make the pickup sound more vintage and simulate an A2 magnet while using an A5, but I’m hoping a flabby low end isn’t a part of that simulation.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Has anyone tried the Tone Zone and the Air Zone in the same guitar? I have a Tone Zone in a Strat, and I like it, but I was thinking of airing it (I de-aired a Norton recently, so I have the poles, spacers, and the keeper bar) to drop the output and hopefully make it a bit more versatile and sound better for clean tones.

My concerns:
  • I was afraid airing it would shave off some highs, which I really don’t want to lose, but the Dimarzio site shows the Air Zone as having a bit more highs than the Tone Zone. The Air Zone seems to lose a bit of mids though, which I’d be okay with.
  • Palm muting under a lot of gain is a big part of my playing, and I don’t want the low end to get mushy after airing it. I run the Tone Zone with a capacitor in series to shave off a bit of low end and tighten it up, which I suspect I’ll need to do with the Air Zone too, but I know the air technology is intended to make the pickup sound more vintage and simulate an A2 magnet while using an A5, but I’m hoping a flabby low end isn’t a part of that simulation.
Any help would be appreciated.

Sounds like airing it will give you most of what you are after, but it will drop the output a bit.

Don't worry about losing too much high end, you'll actually gain a little chime and sparkle up top.

You'll find the bottom end response holds up well and isn't overly boomy...certainly not as overbearing as the stock Tone Zone can seem

Airing the TZ fixes many of the things that people don't like about the stock Tone Zone without compromising the overall sound too much.

That said, you could also "half-air" it if you wanted...leave the keeper on the screw poles and just swap out the slug poles with the "air" poles/spacers and see how you like it
 
Sounds like airing it will give you most of what you are after, but it will drop the output a bit.

Don't worry about losing too much high end, you'll actually gain a little chime and sparkle up top.

You'll find the bottom end response holds up well and isn't overly boomy...certainly not as overbearing as the stock Tone Zone can seem

Airing the TZ fixes many of the things that people don't like about the stock Tone Zone without compromising the overall sound too much.

That said, you could also "half-air" it if you wanted...leave the keeper on the screw poles and just swap out the slug poles with the "air" poles/spacers and see how you like it

I full-aired the Tone Zone in my Strat last night, and I’m really liking it so far. It dropped the output a bit, thinned out and opened up the mids some, in a good way, and without taking away the things I like about it. I’m glad this thread came up. I was thinking about pulling the Tone Zone out of this guitar and trying a Norton in its place, but I’m pretty happy for the time being. I have another Tone Zone in an HH Tele that I may have to try half airing now.
 
By half-aired I assume you mean only spacers on one side rather than both? Does it make any difference which side or end is spaced?
The slug bobbin would remain "aired" while the magnet touches the adjustable polepieces.
 
Look, an admin already said to cool it so your whole post is unnecessary and off-topic. I have no interest in your petty squabbles, didactic comments, or personal opinions. I opened this topic to discuss the Dimarzio Air Zone so it would be better if you kept it at that. If you have any complaints then I suggest evaluating yourself because I am not antagonistic like you have been. I simply respond in kind to whatever someone says. Your self-qualifying comments are of no interest to me, but I will say that it's you don't have any degrees I don't have and I'm also a pro-level woodworker/luthier, so it's pointless to try and compete. All that jive about seniority and years of blah, blah has nothing to do with it. If you want to discuss the topic then I welcome that as long as you do so respectfully without trying to catch people on trivial things in an attempt to discredit them. I'm open to any rational, intelligent discussion on the topic if you're capable of that

I know you think you're above the law and that common courtesy doesn't apply to you, but the moderator's request to stay on topic was aimed at you, also...Clearly that's not what you are doing here
 
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