sunnysideup
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
why nobody trademark the Black or White bobbin?
Luke Duke said:
why nobody trademark the Black or White bobbin?
DiMarzio Haters - Why?
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aldu74
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Satch had Pearly Gates in one of his guitars that was used extensively on that record.
Come to think about it, that particular guitar was stolen from him a couple of years ago... I wonder if Larry Dimarzio did it? :laugh2:
Luke Duke said:
Satch had Pearly Gates in one of his guitars that was used extensively on that record.
Come to think about it, that particular guitar was stolen from him a couple of years ago... I wonder if Larry Dimarzio did it? :laugh2:
Destructone
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
:wrf:uhhhh, how's THAT for 'that's what i've been trying to say'?! :grumble::duh:
please read before making moronic replies...:fing25:
Pierre said:
:wrf:uhhhh, how's THAT for 'that's what i've been trying to say'?! :grumble::duh:
please read before making moronic replies...:fing25:
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Archer_of_Fish
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
color pickups? Most every company has color options. Dimarzio hasnt done that yet, just on cream.
Its the Kinman scam they pulled that has me loathing them for business purposes.
I do a lot of noodling on pickups and DImarzios are made FAR cheaper than any Duncan I have every pulled apart. Rio Grande are also rather poorly built. If you want a solid piece get Fralin or Tom Holmes pickups...those babies are where its at.
color pickups? Most every company has color options. Dimarzio hasnt done that yet, just on cream.
Its the Kinman scam they pulled that has me loathing them for business purposes.
I do a lot of noodling on pickups and DImarzios are made FAR cheaper than any Duncan I have every pulled apart. Rio Grande are also rather poorly built. If you want a solid piece get Fralin or Tom Holmes pickups...those babies are where its at.
dr.barlo
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I think DM's business practices are nothing but aggressive which makes me hate that kinda company especially in an industry where the most significant feature is creativity.
WTF! Did they create the word PAF, did they first think of them double cream bobins, did the first think of them mismatched coils, did they create what Kinman has invented... I would not have anything to say if DM was making billions from the things they themselves invented/created. That'd be cool. But that unfair surplus (due to such unjust practices) that company creates is used to further strengthen their stupid and aggressive practices.
I am a game theorist, so gotta admit that what they do is rational. BUT still I don't like it, and as Zerb has pointed out, I will not support them with my wallet.
The bad thing is that I like some of their pickups, tonezone and megadrive are cool. Other than those the ones I came across (have been using lotsa dimarzios in 90s, in fact till the time I tried a PGb sitting in my drawer for the first time) they sound kinda metallic to me. Not organic. But I have to admit that this has something to do with tastes.
Anyways, I will never use a DiMarzio pickup. Have sold my entire stock (over 20 buckers).
BTW I have seen that their parts are not manufactured with the care that Duncan puts into his product. C'mon, 59 is a "cheap" pickup! Only $70.00 new! But it is wound on the same machine as the old PAFs were, has the very same kind of plastic as the old PAF had (which is impossible to find nowadays), has that very same maple spacer underneath the bobins that the old PAFs have, has the same kind of paper tape around it. Even Gibson does not pour such amount of care and devotion into their PAF replicas. And we cannot call a 59 PAF, just because DiMarzio is defending its stupid trademark with lotsa cash. That is simply stupid.
When I opened up DM's I did not like what I saw. The spacers were kinda cheap plastic, the magnet glued, and the inside of the pickups was not clean you see. It was certain that not a lot of care has been put into.
B
I think DM's business practices are nothing but aggressive which makes me hate that kinda company especially in an industry where the most significant feature is creativity.
WTF! Did they create the word PAF, did they first think of them double cream bobins, did the first think of them mismatched coils, did they create what Kinman has invented... I would not have anything to say if DM was making billions from the things they themselves invented/created. That'd be cool. But that unfair surplus (due to such unjust practices) that company creates is used to further strengthen their stupid and aggressive practices.
I am a game theorist, so gotta admit that what they do is rational. BUT still I don't like it, and as Zerb has pointed out, I will not support them with my wallet.
The bad thing is that I like some of their pickups, tonezone and megadrive are cool. Other than those the ones I came across (have been using lotsa dimarzios in 90s, in fact till the time I tried a PGb sitting in my drawer for the first time) they sound kinda metallic to me. Not organic. But I have to admit that this has something to do with tastes.
Anyways, I will never use a DiMarzio pickup. Have sold my entire stock (over 20 buckers).
BTW I have seen that their parts are not manufactured with the care that Duncan puts into his product. C'mon, 59 is a "cheap" pickup! Only $70.00 new! But it is wound on the same machine as the old PAFs were, has the very same kind of plastic as the old PAF had (which is impossible to find nowadays), has that very same maple spacer underneath the bobins that the old PAFs have, has the same kind of paper tape around it. Even Gibson does not pour such amount of care and devotion into their PAF replicas. And we cannot call a 59 PAF, just because DiMarzio is defending its stupid trademark with lotsa cash. That is simply stupid.
When I opened up DM's I did not like what I saw. The spacers were kinda cheap plastic, the magnet glued, and the inside of the pickups was not clean you see. It was certain that not a lot of care has been put into.
B
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
This is the part that doesn't really make sense. I'd be willing to bet that Dimarzio makes a negligible amount of money from the PAF and double cream stuff compared to their other business.
Literally 9 times out of 10 people DO NOT look to Dimarzio for vintage sounds as good as their vintage line may be. And if people are not looking for vintage sounds they're rarely looking for double cream either. In fact, by looking at what the dealers are usually stocking from Dimarzio I RARELY see double cream.
In other words, don't think that this is strengthening them that much if at all...I seriously doubt it isn't. Which also means it's foolish for Dimarzio to carry this on. Their other legimately innovative ideas/designs are more than enough to carry that company on indefinitely and be a major player in the pickup world. If I were them I'd just drop the trademark BS and move on.....they don't need it to compete.
dr.barlo said:
This is the part that doesn't really make sense. I'd be willing to bet that Dimarzio makes a negligible amount of money from the PAF and double cream stuff compared to their other business.
Literally 9 times out of 10 people DO NOT look to Dimarzio for vintage sounds as good as their vintage line may be. And if people are not looking for vintage sounds they're rarely looking for double cream either. In fact, by looking at what the dealers are usually stocking from Dimarzio I RARELY see double cream.
In other words, don't think that this is strengthening them that much if at all...I seriously doubt it isn't. Which also means it's foolish for Dimarzio to carry this on. Their other legimately innovative ideas/designs are more than enough to carry that company on indefinitely and be a major player in the pickup world. If I were them I'd just drop the trademark BS and move on.....they don't need it to compete.
shredaholic
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
i don't think you understand my post - the point was that you didn't have to be owner of any of the companies to be affected by dubious business practices. heck, did you even read the post, or just looked at what my age was - why should my age have anything to do with my judgement on this? bringing that into it is a bit patronising...
walt said:Are you one of the companies I listed?? Oh wait, you are only 17?? You weren't even born then. Bro, I say this with a very warm heart....take a pill, you are allowing something that you can't do anything about get in the way of your search for tone. Don't let it be a determining factor for you.
i don't think you understand my post - the point was that you didn't have to be owner of any of the companies to be affected by dubious business practices. heck, did you even read the post, or just looked at what my age was - why should my age have anything to do with my judgement on this? bringing that into it is a bit patronising...
Imp
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
dumbest thing i've heard all day, man. DSS3 is even younger, and he writes some great posts.
the 'age' box is if you're curious about the person - not to put them down with if you don't agree with him - he may be younger, but maybe he's not the one who needs to grow up some.
tom
walt said:
dumbest thing i've heard all day, man. DSS3 is even younger, and he writes some great posts.
the 'age' box is if you're curious about the person - not to put them down with if you don't agree with him - he may be younger, but maybe he's not the one who needs to grow up some.
tom
dr.barlo
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I guess you did not read the whole post! As I said whether or not to like their tone depends on your tastes. You like it, I don't! That simple.
The question was: Why don't you like DMs? And that was my answer! If you don't like it, I honestly don't care.
Sir, I am an assitant professor in economics, a graduate of University of Minnesota Economics Department. And I think I generally make sense. The surplus I am talking about is the surplus that is created due to the fact that other pickup manufacturers cannot do what they could have done without them stupid trademarks.
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B
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I guess you did not read the whole post! As I said whether or not to like their tone depends on your tastes. You like it, I don't! That simple.
The question was: Why don't you like DMs? And that was my answer! If you don't like it, I honestly don't care.
Sir, I am an assitant professor in economics, a graduate of University of Minnesota Economics Department. And I think I generally make sense. The surplus I am talking about is the surplus that is created due to the fact that other pickup manufacturers cannot do what they could have done without them stupid trademarks.
Best,
B
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Zerberus
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Probably the most asinine post I´ve ever read, I´m sorry to be so harsh...
This is like saying "The nuclear reactor was built before I was born, so the Crack in the top isn´t my problem".... When you are born has nothing at all to do with whether or not you should or should not let your own morals and beliefs guide you.... you´re essentially telling him he´s too young to have his own opinion, and that it´s for his own good not to have one.....
That´s EXACTLY what MTV, Dimarzio, ESP, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, levis and others WANT us to think, the want us to only care about our own self....
Just that living that way will be the downfall of our race because people stop giving a **** about others and start expecting everyone and everything to be catered to THEIR desires, and acting accordingly...... as we can clearly see currently in France, or right after Katrina.....
Maybe these people should have given a flying **** earlier and they wouldn´t be in such ****
walt said:Are you one of the companies I listed?? Oh wait, you are only 17?? You weren't even born then. Bro, I say this with a very warm heart....take a pill, you are allowing something that you can't do anything about get in the way of your search for tone. Don't let it be a determining factor for you.
Probably the most asinine post I´ve ever read, I´m sorry to be so harsh...
This is like saying "The nuclear reactor was built before I was born, so the Crack in the top isn´t my problem".... When you are born has nothing at all to do with whether or not you should or should not let your own morals and beliefs guide you.... you´re essentially telling him he´s too young to have his own opinion, and that it´s for his own good not to have one.....
That´s EXACTLY what MTV, Dimarzio, ESP, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, levis and others WANT us to think, the want us to only care about our own self....
Just that living that way will be the downfall of our race because people stop giving a **** about others and start expecting everyone and everything to be catered to THEIR desires, and acting accordingly...... as we can clearly see currently in France, or right after Katrina.....
Maybe these people should have given a flying **** earlier and they wouldn´t be in such ****
Destructone
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
+1
ranalli said:
+1
wixedmords
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Gotta agree here.
This forum has some of the best and intelligent youth of any forum I have seen.
Very impressive. The youn'ins and the grampy's don't argue (that much).
DSS is one of the best forumites on the web, period. Very impresssive for a man of 14 (I believe). (Ok, so he sold his RR, I am over it.)
This issue of Dimarzio vs Duncan is about the only destructive topic on this forum. Not really an issue to me, both great companies with different offerings. Both make great products. Neither are killing people or really hurting anyone.
Buy what your ears like. You ears are all that really matters.
The freedom of choice is something we also celebrate today, on a day about Veterans.
EDIT: I am an "old" guy, ok grampy, but I write some wacky posts when I am tired.
Imp said:
Gotta agree here.
This forum has some of the best and intelligent youth of any forum I have seen.
Very impressive. The youn'ins and the grampy's don't argue (that much).
DSS is one of the best forumites on the web, period. Very impresssive for a man of 14 (I believe). (Ok, so he sold his RR, I am over it.)
This issue of Dimarzio vs Duncan is about the only destructive topic on this forum. Not really an issue to me, both great companies with different offerings. Both make great products. Neither are killing people or really hurting anyone.
Buy what your ears like. You ears are all that really matters.
The freedom of choice is something we also celebrate today, on a day about Veterans.
EDIT: I am an "old" guy, ok grampy, but I write some wacky posts when I am tired.
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walt
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Ok guys, the age reference (in my previous post) was not an insult to ANYONES AGE (if I insulted you, I'm sincerely sorry:foot: ), just a reference as to how long this thing has been going on. My god, generations of people are upset because of this? You would think this was the 2004 Presidential Election all over again when this topic is discussed . I understand if the pickup doesn't sound good to not want to buy them, but because someone took a patent? I have heard that EVH was accused of a similar thing when he stopped using Soldanos and went Peavey to design the 5150, do you stop listening to Van Halen because he did that?? How about the 5150 being renamed the 6505?? Do you stop using Peavey gear because they stoled EVH's amp design and renamed it something else (not saying that's what really happen but it's a comparison in this example). I really think that a lot of folks that want a vintage type pickup will look beyond the double cream thing and buy what they want be it Dimarzio, Duncan, or whoever. That's just my opinion, I didn't mean for my previous thread to insult anyone, just to bring to light how silly (in my opinion) it is. Would you not want to buy a Duncan pickup if Seymour held the rights to have a name printed on the pickup and nobody else could (just a comparsion)?
For me, I don't care who makes the pickup or what the pickup looks like. I have owned Rio Grandes, Duncans, DiMarzios, Lace Sensors, Fender Custom Shop pickups and numerous others over the years (I'm 51) as long as it sounds good and does what it's suppose to isn't that what it's really all about??
Peace
I also want to add that the younger posters on this board do have a lot of knowledge and I at my crusty old age have learned a thing or two from them.
Thanks again guys!!
Ok guys, the age reference (in my previous post) was not an insult to ANYONES AGE (if I insulted you, I'm sincerely sorry:foot: ), just a reference as to how long this thing has been going on. My god, generations of people are upset because of this? You would think this was the 2004 Presidential Election all over again when this topic is discussed
. I understand if the pickup doesn't sound good to not want to buy them, but because someone took a patent? I have heard that EVH was accused of a similar thing when he stopped using Soldanos and went Peavey to design the 5150, do you stop listening to Van Halen because he did that?? How about the 5150 being renamed the 6505?? Do you stop using Peavey gear because they stoled EVH's amp design and renamed it something else (not saying that's what really happen but it's a comparison in this example). I really think that a lot of folks that want a vintage type pickup will look beyond the double cream thing and buy what they want be it Dimarzio, Duncan, or whoever. That's just my opinion, I didn't mean for my previous thread to insult anyone, just to bring to light how silly (in my opinion) it is. Would you not want to buy a Duncan pickup if Seymour held the rights to have a name printed on the pickup and nobody else could (just a comparsion)? For me, I don't care who makes the pickup or what the pickup looks like. I have owned Rio Grandes, Duncans, DiMarzios, Lace Sensors, Fender Custom Shop pickups and numerous others over the years (I'm 51) as long as it sounds good and does what it's suppose to isn't that what it's really all about??
Peace
I also want to add that the younger posters on this board do have a lot of knowledge and I at my crusty old age have learned a thing or two from them.
Thanks again guys!!
Evan Skopp
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I haven't read this whole thread and I don't have much comment on the subject other than both companies have their products and their business practices, and customers can choose based on preference. Let the best man win.
However, with all this talk about DiMarzio and their trademarks on double cream, PAF, metallic bobbins, etc., do any of you realize that Ron Bienstock, DiMarzio's lawyer, also represents WD Music Products, distributors of Kent Armstrong pickups? And Mr. Bienstock and his client, Larry Davis of WD, have acquired a trademark on the design of the age-old lipstick tube patent.
To repeat: WD owns the lipstick tube pickup design.
If you're going to discuss DiMarzio's trademark practices, it might be instructive to know other pickup companies engaged in the same practice (with the same lawyer).
I haven't read this whole thread and I don't have much comment on the subject other than both companies have their products and their business practices, and customers can choose based on preference. Let the best man win.
However, with all this talk about DiMarzio and their trademarks on double cream, PAF, metallic bobbins, etc., do any of you realize that Ron Bienstock, DiMarzio's lawyer, also represents WD Music Products, distributors of Kent Armstrong pickups? And Mr. Bienstock and his client, Larry Davis of WD, have acquired a trademark on the design of the age-old lipstick tube patent.
To repeat: WD owns the lipstick tube pickup design.
If you're going to discuss DiMarzio's trademark practices, it might be instructive to know other pickup companies engaged in the same practice (with the same lawyer).
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