DiMarzio True Velvet Review

DreX

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I've been trying lots of hot wound vintage single coil pickups, and I bought a set of True Velvets because they are wound 6.2k resistance with A5 and have a good stagger balance, but they actually sound more like a pickup wound in the 5k to 6k ohms range.

From DiMarzio's product copy:

It's not difficult to make a vintage single-coil pickup that's clean and bright, but not so easy if you also want the high strings to sound sweet above the 12th fret. The True Velvet™ Neck Model was designed to make this happen by tuning the coil to a frequency range that’s bright but not thin.

This claim about "above the 12th fret" sounding good is actually true. If I strum like an a "D" chord on the 14th fret or there about on my other Strats, it decays fast and in a linear fashion. The True Velvets hang on just a little longer, like a Wright brothers glider, it coasts for just a moment longer before it crashes. It's a usable difference, because that moment gives you enough time to make it to the next note or chord without having heard much drop off.

The drawback to the "tuning" is that it has less high-highs than most other Strat pickups. It sounds to me a lot like a "noiseless" single coil, with that slightly lower peak resonance, and an absence of sparkling high frequencies. The low-fi audio of YouTube clips don't reveal this because it deal with frequencies that are out of reach of the recordings, but in all the clips I've seen it sounds like the player is plucking the strings really hard, and I think that comes from the prominent lower peak resonance of the pickup. I can thrash the strings with Fralins and it will never sound anything like that.

With the voicing of these pickups, I have a hard time playing blues, SRV type stuff with them and getting the right tone. They sound very tweed though I'm playing through a British amp. They're automatically in surf music mode, and I feel like I have to work hard to get them to sound like something else.

The product copy also says

We combined this with a magnet stagger specifically designed to enhance string balance, which produces great clarity, even with full chords.

Clarity with full chords is not really a problem I've ever had with single coils, except maybe Fralins, which are on the thin side.

DiMarzio obviously LOVES noiseless single coils, because they offers TWELVE difference single coil minimicking stacked humbuckers and six true single coils, and three of the six are the True Velvets neck, middle and bridge, and the three True Velvets are the only single coil they offer that is new to this century. I get the feeling that the development of the True Velvet was based on an observation that their stacked coils sound better in the upper frets than actual single coils, and so they worked backwards to make a single coil that had this particular attribute of a stacked humbucker, and the result was a single coil that sounds a lot like a stacked humbucker.

In conclusion, I'd recommend this pickup to Strat players you use a capo up high on the neck, because it flatters that end of the fret board, but I'd not recommend it to blues player, because it doesn't have that deep, gutty quality a Strat pickup needs for a convincing blues tone.

I expected more from these pickups simply on account of it being their own new single coil pickup since the 90's, like it was so good they threw away all their other ideas, instead it's like a self loathing single coil that wishes it was a stacked humbucker.
 
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I have a set in one of my strats and I can confirm what DreX said word by word
 
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Interesting. I find them to be the brightest Strat pickups I've ever used (and my favorites, FWIW). The amount of top end sparkle is almost excessive at times.
 
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I'm starting to not like the word "bright" in reference to pickups, because it generically meas "a lot of treble", but there's good treble and bad treble profiles. The good kind of treble is when you have a fairly flat response with sufficient amplitude for the high end harmonics to be audible. Whenever someone says a pickup sounds "sweet", IMO they're referring to pleasant upper harmonics. But then there's the spiky kind of treble response, the opposite of flat, where there's a big hump in amplitude somewhere beyond the 3kHz range puts prominance on a small cluster, or maybe even one harmonic, of the fundamental. That usually sounds shrill (think Texas Specials), or cranking the treble on your amp, or it's prominence simply serves to obscure all the other treble range harmonics and make for a dull sound.

Every single coil I've tried with a wind below 7k ohms is "bright", but some are delicious bright, and some are vomit bright. The True Velvets have a definite treble hump, but it's not vomit inducing frequency amplitude spike, as is the case with Texas Specials. The problem is that, to my ear, the True Velvet's frequncy hump makes them sound permanently tweed, when flatter Strat pickups allow me to easily capture a lot more vibes.

All other things being equal, the boutique hand wounds seems to have the loudest, flattest upper harmonic response, relative to the fundamental. They sound beautiful in isolation, but can sound muddy because the harmonics are so busy, where as machine wound pickups slope off more quickly, have quieter harmonics, are better for playing full chords and mix more easily since they have a louder fundamental relative to the harmonic content.

I was strumming my Strat with Fralin Vintage Hots this morning, which are the most harmonic rich of any Strat pickups I've played, and was reminded that you to keep the overdrive real low or else it sounds farty almost instantly, exactly like this http://youtu.be/hzlFHn-ul-k?t=2m25s , but the flip side is that individual notes sound a lot richer than they would with a lesser pickup.

Back to the point, I like to say pickups have a lot of presence or harmonics, or that they have have a shrill frequency spike, to be more descriptive of how exactly it is that they're "bright".
 
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Thanks for the review. I have a number of Blue Velvets, but have never tried the True Velvets. I hated that they did away with the Blues.
 
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I was strumming my Strat with Fralin Vintage Hots this morning, which are the most harmonic rich of any Strat pickups I've played, and was reminded that you to keep the overdrive real low or else it sounds farty almost instantly,

I know exactly what you mean. I have a set of boutiques that will do that very thing in most wood combinations (but not all). The Velvets don't do that. They handle pedals and high gain better.

From the first post's desrciption it seems that they are trying to get a 5/2 type response; where A5 is used under the wound strings and A2 under the plain strings but with the wind rather than the use of A2 rods.
 
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As I have mentioned a couple of times on the Forum, the True Velvets are my favorite aftermarket Strat pickups. They are the perfect "modern take on the vintage Strat pickup." They basically capture what I think are the best of the best early–mid-'60's Strat sounds, but they correct the screwy magnet stagger for modern string sets.

The only problem I have with them is that they have such a unique high end that it is hard to match them with any other pickup I've tried them with. Therefore, I think they are only at their best when you have them paired up with other True Velvets. Mixing them with warmer pickups, you can either set the amp for those pickups and end up with a disgustingly shrill True Velvet, or set the amp for the True Velvet, and end up with disgustingly muddy other pickups. If you have a separate tone control for the True Velvet, it helps to some degree, but it isn't quite perfect, as the beautiful characteristics of the pickups get lost along with the excessive treble.
 
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The Velvets don't do that. They handle pedals and high gain better.

That seems to be DiMarzio's reputation; putting modern before vintage, and most definitely putting gain before clean.

Neither the Red Velvets nor True Velvets specifically say that they're intended for high gain applications, but after discovering this truth on my own, when I go back and read the product descriptions of these products, it seems obvious.

Here's the product descriptions, or their implicit promise of what these pickups will deliver:

Red Velvets
The difference between a vintage Strat bridge pickup sound and a classic Broadcaster or Tele tone is mostly a matter of attack and definition - the Strat stings and screams, while the Tele punches and sings. DiMarzio thought it would be neat to have a Strat pickup that does both, and this is it. The punch comes from the bottom-loaded Power Plate, the sting from custom coil-winding and the Blue Velvet magnet stagger, and a unique mid-range "growl" that's a result of a hand-calibrated magnet structure. Try a Red Velvet bridge pickup with a pair of Blue Velvet pickups for a sound that's both classic and new.

Recommended for all positions.

Tech Talk: One of the obvious effects of mounting a plate on the bottom of a pickup is to boost the magnetic field. DiMarzio wanted the bigger sound that the plate provides, but they didn't want any increased magnet-pull, so they calibrate the magnetic field of every Red Velvet after it's assembled. The Red Velvet was originally designed for the bridge position, but it will also work well in the neck and middle, where it can be combined with a bridge humbucker like the Air Classic.

True Velvets
It's not difficult to make a vintage single-coil pickup that's clean and bright, but not so easy if you also want the high strings to sound sweet above the 12th fret. The True Velvet™ Bridge was designed to make this happen by tuning the coil to a frequency range that’s bright but not thin. We combined this with a magnet stagger specifically designed to enhance string balance, which produces great clarity, even with full chords. The True Velvet™ Bridge is just a touch warmer and louder than the Neck and Middle, so the transition between pickup positions is very smooth and natural. The True Velvet™ Bridge comes standard with hand-ground magnets and vintage cloth covered wire.

Recommended For All positions

Tech Talk: The True Velvet™ is a further development of our Blue Velvet™ line. We've re-tuned the basic frequency response to hone in on the strongest aspects of vintage single-coil tone. The best vintage single-coils emphasized a “sweet spot” where the sound is bright but not piercing. The True Velvet™ is tuned to this spot, making it equally effective for many playing styles, from the clarity of country music to the grit of Texas blues.

It occurs to me now that you only ever have to worry about string to string clarity when there is high gain involved, and that words like "power" and "growl" are not usually used in reference to clean tones.

I actually like the Red Velvets clean though, I have them with 500k pots so they retain more highs than you'd expect. They don't have the sharp top end of a classic single coil, no, but they do have a pleasing roundness at the top, round like a humbcuker, but able to reach up and deliver higher harmonics than you'd get with a little humbucker in it's place. The important difference between the Red's and True's is that the Reds don't have that treble hump that they had designed into the pickup to make the upper frets sound fuller, and I think it's that hump that detracts from the versatility of the True Velvets.
 
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I used to have a True Velvet middle in an RG550, and I really liked it. Take into account, though, that it was between a pair of Breeds, and I'm not really a single-coil guy.
 
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Really great review DreX! Alot of great insight and an honest viewpoint on things... I've been reading more posts by you lately here, and it's good to have you as part of the SDUGF!
 
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The only problem I have with them is that they have such a unique high end that it is hard to match them with any other pickup I've tried them with. Therefore, I think they are only at their best when you have them paired up with other True Velvets. Mixing them with warmer pickups, you can either set the amp for those pickups and end up with a disgustingly shrill True Velvet, or set the amp for the True Velvet, and end up with disgustingly muddy other pickups. If you have a separate tone control for the True Velvet, it helps to some degree, but it isn't quite perfect, as the beautiful characteristics of the pickups get lost along with the excessive treble.

Mixing pickups is like blended Scotch or listening to a CD on shuffle, it bastardizes the original intention. It's a mess of ideas. Sets or nothing. I even have a Strat loaded with SSL-4, and those are only intended for the bridge position.
 
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