do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

  • no

    Votes: 19 86.4%
  • yes

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Total voters
    22
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Does your guitar look like this? It would have to look like this:

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After a bottle of Patron, yes.....yes it does.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Once I got the mags swapped, it was perfect... Who knew.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Maybe it was the strap... Gosh all this technical stuff... I don't remember...
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Whoever answered "yes" in the pole is either a lier or deaf.

It is absolutely impossible to have correct intonation on every fret on every string (using standard/straight frets). Period.

Maybe their guitars don't have straight frets? Or maybe they're just screwing with people that take minor things in life way too seriously.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Me thinks the only "yes" would be a fretless?...and then only a select few can play those 100% accurately 100% of the time ;)

Oh god, fretless least of all. Even I can hear that fretless players are frequently off key. They make up for it in feel and tone.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Oh god, fretless least of all. Even I can hear that fretless players are frequently off key. They make up for it in feel and tone.

My thought is they are out of tune/off key because of their finger placement, not because the intonation is off... On the fret less note, anybody seen Guthrie Govan play a fret less guitar with a brass fret(less) board?
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

My thought is they are out of tune/off key because of their finger placement, not because the intonation is off.

'Finger placement' IS intonation with fretless instruments. It's a moving target as the fingers move, and is usually off to some degree, plus or minus. It gives depth and character to the sound. That's part of the charm, but it's still off. With a fretted instrument, you're always off the same amount on the notes; without frets, you're off a different amount every time you play that note. The faster you play, the less precise you can be, especially as you move up and down the neck and the note spacing gets larger and smaller. With a double bass, it's a blessing that the notes 'pop' and don't sustain, as that hides some of the intonation errors.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

'Finger placement' IS intonation with fretless instruments. It's a moving target as the fingers move, and is usually off to some degree, plus or minus. It gives depth and character to the sound. That's part of the charm, but it's still off. With a fretted instrument, you're always off the same amount on the notes; without frets, you're off a different amount every time you play that note. The faster you play, the less precise you can be, especially as you move up and down the neck and the note spacing gets larger and smaller. With a double bass, it's a blessing that the notes 'pop' and don't sustain, as that hides some of the intonation errors.

The poll question was about a guitar with perfect intonation...I don't see how a fretless guitar's intonation can be off when they are no frets...theoretically there is nothing impeding perfect intonation...the slightest movement changes the pitch.

Someone answered yes and my thought was a fretless. Technically is the actual intonation off on a fretless like a standard straight fret guitar? My thought I no...perhaps Agee to disagree?

I've heard some amazing guitar/bass players on a fretless that sounds flawless and not out of tune...personally I would say they were pretty cool to being "perfectly intonated."
 
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Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

The poll question was about a guitar with perfect intonation...I don't see how a fretless guitar's intonation can be off when they are no frets...theoretically there is nothing impeding perfect intonation...the slightest movement changes the pitch.

Someone answered yes and my thought was a fretless. Technically is the actual intonation off on a fretless like a standard straight fret guitar? My thought I no...perhaps Agee to disagree?

I've heard some amazing guitar/bass players on a fretless that sounds flawless and not out of tune...personally I would say they were pretty cool to being "perfectly intonated."


As is said about slide guitar: 'the three most important things are intonation, intonation, and intonation.' Same goes for fretless instruments. No frets means placing your fingers in the exact precise location for every note, which isn't humanly possible.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

As I've understood it, the reason we can never have a perfectly intonated guitar is because of the physics of the notes work. I'f I'm talknig BS someone please correct me but this is how I've clearly remember understanding it.

Let's start with a C note. The fifth is G. The fifth of G is D. Now if we continue this long enough we get back to C. But here comes the problem. If you take the perfect fifths evertime, the C you end up with is not the same C (even in a different octave). IIRC it will be sharp. So basically in every instrument they have to average it out. Notes are all relative to each other. So take C note. In all C chords it's obviously good. But when you want A minor or A flat major (both have C note in them) that C note isn't same as the normal C, It's slightly off. And if you take F major (has a C in it) that C isn't either of those previous C's either. So even with these True Temperament frets (which there are several different types of) will never be perfectly intonated.

Basically the "every note is equally out of tune" is sort of a good compromise with tempered frets. What would give you perfect intonation would be these microtonal frets where there are 2 or 3 frets very close to each other for the same note. But that starts to become very inconvenient and hard to play it's inpractical. And for many the normal straight frets are close enough that they don't hear the difference or don't mind.
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

As is said about slide guitar: 'the three most important things are intonation, intonation, and intonation.' Same goes for fretless instruments. No frets means placing your fingers in the exact precise location for every note, which isn't humanly possible.

I guess I see that as being the user error and not that the guitar itself is out of intonation...from a technical spec, one could theoretically hit every note precisely on a fretless...there are no frets impeding it being done.

But anywho, I think we both agree that standard fretted guitars are not 100% intonated...
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

^^^ Yup.
It's all a trade off one way or another.
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Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

As is said about slide guitar: 'the three most important things are intonation, intonation, and intonation.' Same goes for fretless instruments. No frets means placing your fingers in the exact precise location for every note, which isn't humanly possible.

Classical instrument players such as Violinists, Cellist and Double Bass players having been doing this for a long time now and in Orchestral situations where there are multiples of each instrument playing their lines in unison. It'd sound pretty effin horrible if they were all " a bit out ".
 
Re: do any of your guitars have perfect intonation?

Classical instrument players such as Violinists, Cellist and Double Bass players having been doing this for a long time now and in Orchestral situations where there are multiples of each instrument playing their lines in unison. It'd sound pretty effin horrible if they were all " a bit out ".

A man with a whole lotta sense once said, "Rock n' roll was invented for people who couldn't play regular music." I'm proud to be one of those people.
 
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