"Do It All" HH Wiring Questions

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Dudeman7

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The guitar in question is a Fender Blacktop Strat with a Pearly Gates neck pickup and a Custom Custom bridge pickup.

I followed the diagram found elsewhere on the forum and I am still having issues in the 2 and 4 positions. It seems like the neck pickup is not really splitting so I have both coils from the Pearly Gates and either of the coils from the CC in 2 and 4.

The pickups were purchased new, not RWRP. I have flipped the magnet in the bridge position Custom Custom.

Hopefully this is an easy fix. I don't have any photos of the wiring yet but I think I can take some this weekend.

If anyone has a corrected diagram for this wiring scheme and could share it, I'll buy the beer if we ever meet in real life.
 
Flipping the magnet won't change what the switch does.

Questions:

- what switch are you using? Standard Fender 5-way or super-switch?
- what wiring diagram are you following?
- what are you hoping to achieve in P-2 and P-4?
- how many volumes, how many tones?

I recently wired up an HH strat and an HH Tele, both with:

P1- bridge full humbucker
P2 - bridge north coil only (coil split)
P3 - neck and middle, parallel, full humbuckers
P4 - neck north coil only (coil split)
P5 - neck full humbucker

The wiring diagram can be modified quite easily for dual coil splits in P3 and or for south coils instead of north.

There are other wiring diagrams out there for other options too.

It all depends on what you want to achieve.
 
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Correct. Flipping the magnet doesn't have any effect on the switch. It does however, insure that the split positions (using one coil from each humbucker) don't have phase issues.

The positions are like this:

1) Bridge
2) Both outer humbucker coils
3) Bridge and Neck
4) Both inner humbucker coils
5) Neck

Each position of the Super Switch is supposed to be hum canceling. Both pickups are wired to one Volume and one Tone control.
 
Series.

There have been a couple threads here, fairly recently, that have the diagram and lots of great information. However, I can't seem to find them and "Do It All" isn't specific enough for the search function.

The Blacktop Strat had this wiring scheme from the factory but changing the pickups to SDs meant reconfiguring the whole thing since Fender and SD pickups are wound differently.
 
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Okay, to be clear:

P1 - bridge humbucker, both coils in series (regular humbucker)
P2 - bridge and neck south / screw coils in series
P3 - both pickups, full humbucker, in series
P4 - bridge and neck north / plain / slug coils in series
P5 - neck humbuckers, both coils, in series (regular humbucker)

Fender 5 way superswitch.

One master volume.

One master tone.
 
That's right.

I found Mincer's thread that details the whole thing. He had a different starting point with the RWRP aspect of his pickups though.
 
Post #76 in Mincer's thread has the corrected diagram. For some reason, I am unable to link it here.

What I really need to know is if that wiring diagram will work the same way if the bridge pickup is RP instead of the neck pickup.
 
Here is a diagram I think will work with as-delivered humbuckers configured for bridge and neck out of the box. That is to say the slotted poles are pre-set on the outsides (slots nearest the bridge for the bridge pickup, slots nearest the tuners for the neck pickup).

What you're trying to achieve by (what I think you're doing) moving a bridge pickup to the neck or vie versa, turning it through 180 degrees so the slotted poles go to the outsides, then flipping the magnet to compensate is beyond me.HH W FANCY COIL SPLITS REV A.jpg
 
What was important to me was that every position be in phase and humbucking. I needed to do a magnet flip for that.
 
ThreeChordWonder said:
Here is a diagram I think will work with as-delivered humbuckers configured for bridge and neck out of the box. That is to say the slotted poles are pre-set on the outsides (slots nearest the bridge for the bridge pickup, slots nearest the tuners for the neck pickup).

What you're trying to achieve by (what I think you're doing) moving a bridge pickup to the neck or vie versa, turning it through 180 degrees so the slotted poles go to the outsides, then flipping the magnet to compensate is beyond me.
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Thanks for that! I'll dig into it again tomorrow.

Also, I'm not flipping or moving either of the pickups. I just had to flip the magnet around to reverse the polarity of one pickup. If you don't do that, using one coil from each pickup would not make it hum cancelling in positions 2 and 4.
 
^ If you reverse the polarity, aren't you going to have to change the wiring sequence?

I think you'll have to transpose white for black and green for red, but that's beyond me still.
 
still. Suppose you could wire it up as above, try it, with a portable floursecent or something, then transpose the wires if you get a nasty hum.
 
Dudeman7 said:
Series.

There have been a couple threads here, fairly recently, that have the diagram and lots of great information. However, I can't seem to find them and "Do It All" isn't specific enough for the search function.

The Blacktop Strat had this wiring scheme from the factory but changing the pickups to SDs meant reconfiguring the whole thing since Fender and SD pickups are wound differently.
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I've been away camping for last few days, juet getting back to civilization now.

None of the connections btw pickups in Mincer's "Do It All" wiring are In Series. It's true that in positions 1, 3 and 5, each pickup is wired In Series with itself, yes. But when the two pickups are being combined in Positions 2, 3 and 4, the connections btw pickups are In Parallel. And that's standard method.

So let us know if you really did mean to say you wanted the two pickups connected to each other In Series in Positions 2, 3, and 4. If you do, you need something other than Mincer's diagram.

If you instead want the connections btw pickups in Positions 2, 3 and 4 to be In Parallel, than I'll go back thru the 2 - 3 diagrams in Mincer's recent "Do It All wiring" thread to see which one is most appropriate for your situation... since you said you flipped the mag in your bridge pup, and the 2-3 diagrams in that thread are designed based on the neck pup having the mag flip.

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Dudeman7 said:
The guitar in question is a Fender Blacktop Strat with a Pearly Gates neck pickup and a Custom Custom bridge pickup.

I followed the diagram found elsewhere on the forum and I am still having issues in the 2 and 4 positions. It seems like the neck pickup is not really splitting so I have both coils from the Pearly Gates and either of the coils from the CC in 2 and 4.

The pickups were purchased new, not RWRP. I have flipped the magnet in the bridge position Custom Custom.

Hopefully this is an easy fix. I don't have any photos of the wiring yet but I think I can take some this weekend.

If anyone has a corrected diagram for this wiring scheme and could share it, I'll buy the beer if we ever meet in real life.
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The Pearly Gates pup not splitting at all raises concerns about the pup itself.

Please get ahold of a multimeter [edit: and compass] and follow this tutorial video to take some measurements of your two pickups. And report back what you found.

https://youtu.be/7UfxQBhqen8

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Dudeman,

Ok, I reviewed the diagrams in that Mincer thread, and the final version diagram in Reply #76 should work fine as-is for you.

If that is the diagram you already used and you're not getting the expected results, you need to re-check and perform the multimeter and compass tests against the 2 pickups as I explained in my prior reply.

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Jack_TriPpEr said:
I've been away camping for last few days, juet getting back to civilization now.

None of the connections btw pickups in Mincer's "Do It All" wiring are In Series. It's true that in positions 1, 3 and 5, each pickup is wired In Series with itself, yes. But when the two pickups are being combined in Positions 2, 3 and 4, the connections btw pickups are In Parallel. And that's standard method.

So let us know if you really did mean to say you wanted the two pickups connected to each other In Series in Positions 2, 3, and 4. If you do, you need something other than Mincer's diagram.

If you instead want the connections btw pickups in Positions 2, 3 and 4 to be In Parallel, than I'll go back thru the 2 - 3 diagrams in Mincer's recent "Do It All wiring" thread to see which one is most appropriate for your situation... since you said you flipped the mag in your bridge pup, and the 2-3 diagrams in that thread are designed based on the neck pup having the mag flip.

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My diagram DOES connect both pickups, both coils in each pickup, in series.
 
P1 - bridge humbucker.
p2- bridge and neck screw coils
P3- bridge and neck, both pairs in series with each other, the two pickups in series
P-4 - bridge and neck plain coils (that was the tough one to figure out)
P-5 - neck full humbucker.

If you don't believe me trace the wire paths. Solid lines for the bridge, dashed for the neck.

If you find any glitches please LMK, I'm not perfect.
 
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