Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out?

[DreX]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

Some comments are very helpful, and I'm grateful for that, but some comments are not so constructive, along the lines of "you don't have any idea what you're doing and I have no faith in your experiments", coming from people who have no apparent inclination to conduct experiments of their own, maybe you can see where I'm coming from. I can say "thank you", and the detractors can say "I look forward to seeing your results, though I'll take them with a grain of salt."

 

[AlexR]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

DreX, a lot of people (even the detractors) are trying to help, mostly by saying don't put faith in what tools you're using.

You seem once again to be straying deeply into the 'I know best even though I know nothing' territory. To become the better person you desperately need to be you need to put aside the ego that is strangling your development and listen to people who have the experience and knowledge you clearly lack.

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

This is about the point where, in the past, I've seen your threads devolve, so I will tread lightly...

Well, I guess I didn't do too well on that one...

Some comments are very helpful, and I'm grateful for that, but some comments are not so constructive, along the lines of "you don't have any idea what you're doing and I have no faith in your experiments", coming from people who have no apparent inclination to conduct experiments of their own...

Gee I sure hope the experiment comment isn't directed at me. There's a chance that for anything you're trying to figure out, I've already conducted the experiment to my satisfaction.

 

[DreX]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

Well, I guess I didn't do too well on that one...


Gee I sure hope the experiment comment isn't directed at me. There's a chance that for anything you're trying to figure out, I've already conducted the experiment to my satisfaction.

Definitely not, and I know as someone in the business your time is better spent developing or thinking about products that will guitarists will buy, rather than answering questions for it's own sake, but I can't say the same for some of us in the guitar hobbyist realm.

I really appreciate the knowledge people are sharing, not just with me, but with anyone who happens upon these threads in Google searches, I'd just appreciate it if people who might not like me for whatever might have transpired in other threads use it as a chance to kick me while I'm down, so to speak. People here hold grudges like nothing I've ever seen.

 

[DreX]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

You seem once again to be straying deeply into the 'I know best even though I know nothing' territory.

That's just not fair. I do know some things, and I'm honest about what I don't know. You can't casually throw that invective out there and expect me to say 'thank you sir may I have another?'

Most people here don't know this stuff either, the difference is I admit it, and don't celebrate ignorance ("just play yer guitar!"). AND when you look up this information on the internet, you see professionals like Zexcoil in disagreement with Kinman, where one says it's the magnet that makes the difference while the other says the slug material matters more, some say A3 is between A2 and A5 while other say it's brighter than either, so it's far more complicated "knowing" or "not knowing" something, there's the question of who to believe, why should we believe them, have we witnessed this first hand, are we being tricked by people who make more money when we're more confused?

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

I'm honest about what I don't know...Most people here don't know this stuff either, the difference is I admit it

The way you continually over-generalize people isn't going to win you any prizes. Additionally, there are things many people here DO know and you're not nearly as "honest" with yourself as you clearly assume sometimes.

On top of that, you take WAY too many things personal! For example, you can't even appreciate Frank's responses without taking some aspect of them to be a personal judgement against you, your intellect and/or your abilities. Constructive criticism can be the KEY to major progress, but you get too far into your own head emotionally, become highly defensive and feel the need to retaliate by telling the people trying to help you that they are always "off the mark" somehow.

Look, you're a smart guy and I personally feel you're making strides in the right direction, but it's clear you need help, otherwise you'd already have the answers.

My advice? Make a little humility part of your study plan.

 

[DreX]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

The way you continually over-generalize people isn't going to win you any prizes. Additionally, there are things many people here DO know and you're not nearly as "honest" with yourself as you clearly assume sometimes.

On top of that, you take WAY too many things personal! For example, you can't even appreciate Frank's responses without taking some aspect of them to be a personal judgement against you, your intellect and/or your abilities. Constructive criticism can be the KEY to major progress, but you get too far into your own head emotionally, become highly defensive and feel the need to retaliate by telling the people trying to help you that they are always "off the mark" somehow.

Look, you're a smart guy and I personally feel you're making strides in the right direction, but it's clear you need help, otherwise you'd already have the answers.

My advice? Make a little humility part of your study plan.

In some corners of the internet, this "check your attitude" discourse is considered a common derailment tactic http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

In some corners of the internet, this "check your attitude" discourse is considered a common derailment tactic http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument

Interesting conjecture, my fine sir. Similarly, in some corners of the internet, your oft argumentative quibbling is far less tolerated. But I digress. After all, to discuss further your trivial distraction toward the hypothetical rationales of what may or may not constitute a "derailment tactic" would be...well...uncivilized.

Besides, you insinuate most erroneously...I want the discussion to continue! I was simply offering insight which could allow you to communicate better with those from whom you are requesting assistance, thus IMPROVING the progression of conversation and quality of responses, not derailing the topic at hand. Clearly, it didn't work.

And to be clear, you splintered the topic of the thread several times in individual posts long before my involvement. You did so again with that last post. Pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?

Now, is this thread about pickups and magnets or the psychology of discussion?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Do major winders charge magnets to a target gauss, or do they always max them out

I do know some things, and I'm honest about what I don't know.

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know"
- Donald Rumsfeld

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