Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
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strat_master
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
I use my volume knob and i normally set my tone knobs all the ay to ten for maximum brightness thats it for me.
I use my volume knob and i normally set my tone knobs all the ay to ten for maximum brightness thats it for me.
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
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That's the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Pickups, guitars, amps all contribute to the sound...but what's the one thing that all the equipment we use logrithmically amplify? Our FINGERS on the STRINGS. That is the SOURCE of what we call 'tone'. That's why if I played on your gear, it wouldn't sound like you...and so on.
No matter what player X uses, if he can't play, every single one of the people here would know it...do you think anyone would actually say, 'He sucks. But killer tone!'?
Sometimes I wonder what in the hxll possesses some of you to post the way that you do. :smack: Honestly. Take one minute to consider what you're saying before you type it and needlessly offend lots of people. Some of the folks here have chops...just as many, probably more, are bedroom players. 'Tone' is something that we all (I guess, or we wouldn't be on here) like to shape, whether with equipment or with technique. That being said, I'd like to hear some of your clips. I think the old phrase 'Put up or Shut Up' applies here.:chairshot
I don't even feel that I should answer this, but...volume control? Use it all the time. Tone control...use it mostly when I'm going clean...I can make my sound a little more 'rounded' that way.
Later
Farkus
FiendN said:
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That's the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Pickups, guitars, amps all contribute to the sound...but what's the one thing that all the equipment we use logrithmically amplify? Our FINGERS on the STRINGS. That is the SOURCE of what we call 'tone'. That's why if I played on your gear, it wouldn't sound like you...and so on.
No matter what player X uses, if he can't play, every single one of the people here would know it...do you think anyone would actually say, 'He sucks. But killer tone!'?Sometimes I wonder what in the hxll possesses some of you to post the way that you do. :smack: Honestly. Take one minute to consider what you're saying before you type it and needlessly offend lots of people. Some of the folks here have chops...just as many, probably more, are bedroom players. 'Tone' is something that we all (I guess, or we wouldn't be on here) like to shape, whether with equipment or with technique. That being said, I'd like to hear some of your clips. I think the old phrase 'Put up or Shut Up' applies here.:chairshot
I don't even feel that I should answer this, but...volume control? Use it all the time. Tone control...use it mostly when I'm going clean...I can make my sound a little more 'rounded' that way.
Later
Farkus
fenderiarhs
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
if a great guitar player MUST have a great technique then players like David Gilmour or B.B King wouldn't have reached stardom........There any many other parameters which i find much more important in making you a great guitar player.....innovation.....feeling......phrasing......the sense of what to play and what not to play........And yes....good tone can make you play better.As for using or not using your tone knobs to get YOUR sound, each one of us has his way to achieve it.....so the same way you criticise the non usage of the tone knobs.....in exactly the same way you can be criticised by someone else for using them.
if a great guitar player MUST have a great technique then players like David Gilmour or B.B King wouldn't have reached stardom........There any many other parameters which i find much more important in making you a great guitar player.....innovation.....feeling......phrasing......the sense of what to play and what not to play........And yes....good tone can make you play better.As for using or not using your tone knobs to get YOUR sound, each one of us has his way to achieve it.....so the same way you criticise the non usage of the tone knobs.....in exactly the same way you can be criticised by someone else for using them.
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Forbes
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
Same, i mayaswell just have a switch, either on full or off, coz i never use inbetween positions, too much effort!
korovamilkdud said:I use em plenty. Most of the time they're either on 10 or on 0 though.
Same, i mayaswell just have a switch, either on full or off, coz i never use inbetween positions, too much effort!
Rainmaker
Bee Bee King
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
"seems like people send way too much time worrying about *tone* and way too little time practising or worrying about technique"?
yet doesn't the tone knob directly affect tone?
what does that have to do with technique?
..hmm
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FiendN said:
"seems like people send way too much time worrying about *tone* and way too little time practising or worrying about technique"?
yet doesn't the tone knob directly affect tone?
what does that have to do with technique?
..hmm
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
my main guitar has a no load tone pot (so at 10 its bypassed? i think thats the way it works) and the mod on the volume control so you dont lose highs when you turn down.
this means im permenantly fiddling with my tone knob as the brightness helps with the neck HB sound but the bridge HB can sound too thin...
the way the highs stay in on the volume control is great as i can go from a crisp clean sound to a huge od'd lead sound just messing with my volume knob
however, on my other guitars i dont find i use the knobs much at all :/
my main guitar has a no load tone pot (so at 10 its bypassed? i think thats the way it works) and the mod on the volume control so you dont lose highs when you turn down.
this means im permenantly fiddling with my tone knob as the brightness helps with the neck HB sound but the bridge HB can sound too thin...
the way the highs stay in on the volume control is great as i can go from a crisp clean sound to a huge od'd lead sound just messing with my volume knob
however, on my other guitars i dont find i use the knobs much at all :/
Wattage
High Voltologist
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
Ding, ding, ding! Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner! :laugh2:
FiendN - I think before you start commenting on folks here directly or indirectly you might want to consider posting some clips of your own. Doesn't have much weight otherwise and it sounds a bit inflammatory.
Otherwise welcome to the forum, it is a very cool place despite occassional arguments :nana: , hope to see you in the Tip & Clips Room soon.
Lee said:
Ding, ding, ding! Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner! :laugh2:
FiendN - I think before you start commenting on folks here directly or indirectly you might want to consider posting some clips of your own. Doesn't have much weight otherwise and it sounds a bit inflammatory.
Otherwise welcome to the forum, it is a very cool place despite occassional arguments :nana: , hope to see you in the Tip & Clips Room soon.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
He can come by here, would happily lend out our studio for free to him :newangel:
I'll even engineer for him :22:
He can come by here, would happily lend out our studio for free to him :newangel:
I'll even engineer for him :22:
Curly
Moe's Bluesman
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
what I do with my knob is my business!
uh, seriously ... on a strat, it's easy for me to just set the tone knobs and the amp for the tone I like, as a sort of general EQ, then just use the volume to go from OD to clean, and the switch to get several different tones ... with stock wiring, the volume acts as a sort of tone filter at the same time, too
a lot of fiddling with knobs is distracting, but the same tone gets monotonous for some people listening, kind of like a monotone speaking voice
what I do with my knob is my business!
uh, seriously ... on a strat, it's easy for me to just set the tone knobs and the amp for the tone I like, as a sort of general EQ, then just use the volume to go from OD to clean, and the switch to get several different tones ... with stock wiring, the volume acts as a sort of tone filter at the same time, too
a lot of fiddling with knobs is distracting, but the same tone gets monotonous for some people listening, kind of like a monotone speaking voice
BornToShred
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
One volume pot with treble bypass. Tone pot disconnected.
I like a smoother sound now and then, but when i roll back the tone i get an unpleasantly honky (to my ears anyway) tone.
So when i want a smoother sound, i just use my fingers to pick the strings. Sounds more natural to me.
I play around with the volume quite a bit.
One volume pot with treble bypass. Tone pot disconnected.
I like a smoother sound now and then, but when i roll back the tone i get an unpleasantly honky (to my ears anyway) tone.
So when i want a smoother sound, i just use my fingers to pick the strings. Sounds more natural to me.
I play around with the volume quite a bit.
kaknight
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
i love my tone knobs. a lot of the songs I play, I will roll that f'n tone knob up and down throughout the dang song. Great example - Plush by STP, sounds funky if you don't go from 10 down to about 4 or 5 on the tone knob during different parts of the song. But that being said, I don't play with some crazy high gain amp that takes away much of the good that a tone knob can do and I play musical styles where having muted tones sounds good. I think that many people on this forum play musical styles that would sound like crap with the tone turned down.
i love my tone knobs. a lot of the songs I play, I will roll that f'n tone knob up and down throughout the dang song. Great example - Plush by STP, sounds funky if you don't go from 10 down to about 4 or 5 on the tone knob during different parts of the song. But that being said, I don't play with some crazy high gain amp that takes away much of the good that a tone knob can do and I play musical styles where having muted tones sounds good. I think that many people on this forum play musical styles that would sound like crap with the tone turned down.
Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
yeah come on. everbody has to use there controls at one time or another. you saying that we dont use them is like an insult. why do you think they are there? obviously to be used. so we are gonna use them. oh and there is a certain extent they can go to. there is a difference between rolling down the tone on your guitar and rolling down the treble on an amp.
yeah come on. everbody has to use there controls at one time or another. you saying that we dont use them is like an insult. why do you think they are there? obviously to be used. so we are gonna use them. oh and there is a certain extent they can go to. there is a difference between rolling down the tone on your guitar and rolling down the treble on an amp.
jimo
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
It really depends on the TYPE of music you are playing, whether you use the tone knobs or not. Also all it does is CUT. I think the funny thing is, you spend hours finding that great tone and as soon as you add the other guys in the band, that goes right out the window and you usually end up cranking in more treble on the amp to be able to be heard in the mix.---lol :laugh2: :dance: :dance: -cheers!----JIMO
It really depends on the TYPE of music you are playing, whether you use the tone knobs or not. Also all it does is CUT. I think the funny thing is, you spend hours finding that great tone and as soon as you add the other guys in the band, that goes right out the window and you usually end up cranking in more treble on the amp to be able to be heard in the mix.---lol :laugh2: :dance: :dance: -cheers!----JIMO
FiendN
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
Farkus said::bsflag:
"That's the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Pickups, guitars, amps all contribute to the sound...but what's the one thing that all the equipment we use logrithmically amplify? Our FINGERS on the STRINGS. That is the SOURCE of what we call 'tone'. That's why if I played on your gear, it wouldn't sound like you...and so on.
Sometimes I wonder what in the hxll possesses some of you to post the way that you do. :smack: Honestly. Take one minute to consider what you're saying before you type it and needlessly offend lots of people. Some of the folks here have chops...just as many, probably more, are bedroom players. 'Tone' is something that we all (I guess, or we wouldn't be on here) like to shape, whether with equipment or with technique. That being said, I'd like to hear some of your clips. I think the old phrase 'Put up or Shut Up' applies here.:chairshot"
MY RESPONSE:
Only little old ladies or bible beaters can be offended...
My point is, use what you have. Focus more on great playing than great sound. AS someone mentioned earlier, a great player can make a trashcan sound good. PRACTICE!!!
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FiendN
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
Look, my point is this...
I have played and taught professionally for 12 years. It was my ONLY source of income until I went back to school.
I have played a zillion jobs where the opening band were a bunch of what we called "Weekend Warriors". These guys would come in with huge Marshall or Boogie stacks or what have you with their PRS or Les Paul Customs or whatever. AND THEY WOULD SUCK!!! Then I would come on stage with whatever group I happened to be working for and, with most of my good **** in the pawn shop to pay my bills, I would have to gig with some borrowed piece of ****!
I guess I'm jealous and I have no trouble admitting it. Let me tell you though , "PRO" 's are almost NEVER up on the latest gear. Only in the rarest cases do they own the best equipment. Some older guys I have known have managed to save all their life just to buy a custom shop Tele, or something. But usually they can only afford one really bangin axe.
The people who know/ care most about gear are invariably the guys that come in the stores I have taught at and bull**** with all the salespeople for hours about this piece or that piece.... But I have not ever really heard any of them play. I don;t know, you tell me.
I guess I'm jealous because I have devoted 22 years of my life to studying guitar. I have given up so much. Most of my friends have graduated college and are raising families etc. They have high paying jobs and nice homes/ cars etc...
On the other hand I quit high school at age 16 to tour professionally. I have put off college until now (I am 30). For years I have had to play every type and style of music imaginable EXCEPT the type of music I like. I did this just to make ends meet. Weddings/ Barmitzvahs/ Corporate/ Birthday Parties.... Top 40, country, rock, jazz trio....You name it. If it paid I have done it. Just to pay the bills and keep a roof over my head.
Now I'm 30 years old and I live with my Mother again. I live off of student loans that I feel lucky to get. I once was a 4.0 student on course to graduate a year ahead of my classmates.... i gave that and so much more up just to do what I love....Play music.
But it turned out to be a job just like any other. Except their rarley is a regular paycheck, you have to pay your own taxes/ social security (I screwed myself there too, but thats another story), and there are no health/ dental benefits etc.
I hear so many people here using the word "PRO" as if thats something which they aspire to be OR a way in which they would like to sound. I AM TELLING YOU THAT IT IS NOT A LIFE WHICH ANY OF YOU WOULD EVER WANT and that MOST PROS DO NOT OWN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER "PRO" GEAR!!! These are observable facts. I am not talking about your friend who plays in an original band that gigs a couple times a month (see "weekend warriors"), I am talking about the guy you probably dont know but can be found at the nearest wedding or Coktail lounge or club. I am talking about the guy that actually feeds himself by playing his instrument. THIS IS A PRO!
SO THOSE of you whom aspire to be "PRO" or wish they sounded like a "PRO" or owned more "PRO" gear;
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, my point is this...
I have played and taught professionally for 12 years. It was my ONLY source of income until I went back to school.
I have played a zillion jobs where the opening band were a bunch of what we called "Weekend Warriors". These guys would come in with huge Marshall or Boogie stacks or what have you with their PRS or Les Paul Customs or whatever. AND THEY WOULD SUCK!!! Then I would come on stage with whatever group I happened to be working for and, with most of my good **** in the pawn shop to pay my bills, I would have to gig with some borrowed piece of ****!
I guess I'm jealous and I have no trouble admitting it. Let me tell you though , "PRO" 's are almost NEVER up on the latest gear. Only in the rarest cases do they own the best equipment. Some older guys I have known have managed to save all their life just to buy a custom shop Tele, or something. But usually they can only afford one really bangin axe.
The people who know/ care most about gear are invariably the guys that come in the stores I have taught at and bull**** with all the salespeople for hours about this piece or that piece.... But I have not ever really heard any of them play. I don;t know, you tell me.
I guess I'm jealous because I have devoted 22 years of my life to studying guitar. I have given up so much. Most of my friends have graduated college and are raising families etc. They have high paying jobs and nice homes/ cars etc...
On the other hand I quit high school at age 16 to tour professionally. I have put off college until now (I am 30). For years I have had to play every type and style of music imaginable EXCEPT the type of music I like. I did this just to make ends meet. Weddings/ Barmitzvahs/ Corporate/ Birthday Parties.... Top 40, country, rock, jazz trio....You name it. If it paid I have done it. Just to pay the bills and keep a roof over my head.
Now I'm 30 years old and I live with my Mother again. I live off of student loans that I feel lucky to get. I once was a 4.0 student on course to graduate a year ahead of my classmates.... i gave that and so much more up just to do what I love....Play music.
But it turned out to be a job just like any other. Except their rarley is a regular paycheck, you have to pay your own taxes/ social security (I screwed myself there too, but thats another story), and there are no health/ dental benefits etc.
I hear so many people here using the word "PRO" as if thats something which they aspire to be OR a way in which they would like to sound. I AM TELLING YOU THAT IT IS NOT A LIFE WHICH ANY OF YOU WOULD EVER WANT and that MOST PROS DO NOT OWN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER "PRO" GEAR!!! These are observable facts. I am not talking about your friend who plays in an original band that gigs a couple times a month (see "weekend warriors"), I am talking about the guy you probably dont know but can be found at the nearest wedding or Coktail lounge or club. I am talking about the guy that actually feeds himself by playing his instrument. THIS IS A PRO!
SO THOSE of you whom aspire to be "PRO" or wish they sounded like a "PRO" or owned more "PRO" gear;
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FiendN
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Re: Do you guys really not use your KNOBS???
WRONG!!!
Neither Gilmour nor B.B. King became famous because they were great guitar players. They became famous for a number of reasons...Gilmour because he was a major creative factor in a popular band.... B.B. King because he happened to be around during a blues revival in pop culture (and the fact that he has been around so long... It had to happen to him sooner or later).
The fact is, the best guitar players are the guys you have never heard of. The guys that play in sessions, play weddings, etc....
And I was'nt critisizing anyone... Just asking if people really didn't use their KNOBS. Thats all.
BUT since so many of you seem to be the sensitive type and have taken it personally, I'll take the bait and play your game...
I am not saying that I don't like Gilmour or King, I'm just stating what should be an obvious fact; Neither is a "Great" player. Period. I do happen to like gilmour. He came up with some really innoVative stuff. But a great musician he was/is NOT!
fenderiarhs said:
WRONG!!!
Neither Gilmour nor B.B. King became famous because they were great guitar players. They became famous for a number of reasons...Gilmour because he was a major creative factor in a popular band.... B.B. King because he happened to be around during a blues revival in pop culture (and the fact that he has been around so long... It had to happen to him sooner or later).
The fact is, the best guitar players are the guys you have never heard of. The guys that play in sessions, play weddings, etc....
And I was'nt critisizing anyone... Just asking if people really didn't use their KNOBS. Thats all.
BUT since so many of you seem to be the sensitive type and have taken it personally, I'll take the bait and play your game...
I am not saying that I don't like Gilmour or King, I'm just stating what should be an obvious fact; Neither is a "Great" player. Period. I do happen to like gilmour. He came up with some really innoVative stuff. But a great musician he was/is NOT!
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