Does Made in America matter?

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I used to do the benchmark thing, but many companies shifted their production "down one", if you will -- every series went to the next cheaper country on the totem pole. I think this has happened two or three times in some cases. Now I care a lot more about the humanitarian aspects; I'd kinda like it if the people building my guitars had safe working conditions and fair pay. I feel like I have enough experience over twenty years to know a good guitar when I have one in my hands.

On the guitar as guitar side, an American-made guitar usually means two things to me:

1.) Domestic jobs. This could be reason for anyone in a guitar-producing country to take pride in and support their country's manufacturing. If I were Japanese, I'd be proud as hell of the guitars made there. Spain, Canada, Czech Republic, doesn't matter.

2.) For a U.S. company, it's usually the company's prime-time lineup -- an American Series Fender, a Gibson U.S.A., a Jackson USA Select, a "real" Martin, PRS, etc. We've had the discussion about American guitar quality a billion times; I'm not about to say there's anything magical about U.S. guitar making that guarantees it's any better than what's going on anywhere else. But when I bought my USA Jackson, I wanted the real, grown-up, fully-baked version. That meant American-made. It's not like Jackson builds better Soloists in France or Japan or Russia. The JEM I used to have was also a fantastic guitar; a full-on Ibanez JEM made in Japan is not a cheaper version of something made elsewhere. It is the real thing. That's a lot more important to me, the "authentic excellence".
 
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By getting the import I am allowing Korea to earn at the expense of employing people here.

Koreans are being paid to cut, glue, and sand the wood; but Americans are being paid to design, market, and sell the instruments. People also often don't realize that the US government taxes the wood when it leaves the US as lumber, and then taxes it again when it comes back as a guitar.

America is not going broke because people buy Korean guitars. America is going broke because the "leaders" spend more than our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren will ever be able to pay back.
 
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There are plenty of valid points that have been made in regards to this. I love guitars PERIOD if they truely inspire me to play, I don't give two Sh!ts and a Flying F where they were made. I've owned guitars made in

America, China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea etc. As for resale value.... I've bought a few used guitars over the years that I knew could turn around and sell for profit based on the price I paid. Some of which were great guitars

that I could have held onto but instead opted to make a few hundred dollars which in turn I could use to buy more gear. The best example I can think of was a Rare 2002 USA Jackson Custom Shop Kelly Hardtail that I

bought on Ebay in 2006. The seller had zero feedback and he started the 7 day auction at $925 with no reserve. I hit the watch button and waited until the final minutes to see where the price was at. To my luck no bids

were placed and with a few seconds left I placed the minimum bid and held my breath......sure enough I was the only bidder. I won it for $925 on the nose!!!!!!! I was excited and nervous....I just hoped the seller was legit

and that I wasn't out $925. It was a big risk to take being that this was a new seller but it worked out in the end!!!! After about 4 years of ownership I decided to see how much I could sell it for and did a 7 day reserve

auction starting at $500 with the reserve price set at $1799. Low and behold that guitar sold for just over $1,800 to a guy in California!!! I realize that was a rare circumstance and will probably never happen to me again

but I always keep my eyes peeled to whats out there. I'm not saying that re-sale value is always a valid point to buy a guitar but if the timing and resources are there to potentially make a few dollars, I would do it again in

a millisecond !!!
 
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Country of origin is stupid. The company (say, Fender) who now has a line of guitars from China, are in the US. They still get the majority of the money from the sale, but you are helping both the Chinese and American economy (but given some people do not want to support the Chinese in any way due to their practices, which is completely reasonable). You are still helping jobs in the US either way, just imports support the office jobs here, and MIA support office jobs and worker jobs. It is up to the buyer if they feel the import is enough to help the US, if they care to begin with. As mentioned before, the US government taxes what is imported so there is still an income of money (at least to some people).

Don't want this to become a debate, this is just what I have observed and my understanding of how this is working. From a player's standpoint, the old adage of "If it plays good, sounds good, country doesn't matter" is what I think it comes down to. I also think buying any guitar to flip is usually a STUPID way of buying instruments (except in cases such as Joebacca, which was a cool story). Quit playing and just work at guitar center if someone wants to do that.
 
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If I had the money to piss away, I would spend it on independent luthiers, rather than the big American companies.
 
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If I had the money to piss away, I would spend it on independent luthiers, rather than the big American companies.
+1. Roman Rist, Jol Dantzig, John Wymore, or any talented guy who can get his hands on decent wood. (No jokes, PLEASE! You nasty boogers... :nono: )

I'd even want a shot at learning how to do it myself... Neil (crusty philtrum) is an inspiration. Look it up in the Vault.

In terms of mass-market manufacturers, I shop performance/value, and don't weigh country of origin as much as others.
I own US, MIM and Asian products; I bought them because they were good guitars.
I've got an Agile singlecut (MIK) that I'm more than satisfied with. It's got high-quality wood, good hardware, solid construction and it plays well.
Sounds like a beast, even with the stock pickups. When I swap eventually, it'll rock even harder.
 
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I don't consider resale value at all. That has never made any sense to me. I only buy guitars that I think I will keep. Sometimes things change down the road, and the guitar gets sold. But considering resale value when choosing a musical instrument is folly IMO. You are going to be playing that guitar, making music on it, being very close to it, hopefully for a long time. There are 100 considerations that are more important than potential resale when deciding whether or not to buy a guitar.

As for country of manufacture, great stuff and complete crap can be made anywhere.

As for resale value depending on country of manufacture, it does not do so directly IMO. It's all about demand, which in large part is influenced by stupid-ass factors. It may be influenced by country of manufacture, but that factor is just one of many.
 
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wow... I like totally agree with almost everything everyone said. I first chose the BL because it was the best 1k guitar in the room at the time. I ended up spending $300 more to get the same woods in a Martin Performer Rosewood/Spruce. The Martin plays as nice as the BL, is a Jumbo so a smaller body and better fit for me than a Dred. The Aura electronics beat hands down even the Taylor expression IMO. I guess for me I really wanted a Martin and was looking for justification to spend the extra money?! ...shrug... but wow, what a conversation, eh?

I have some MIM Strats and a Squire that I love and those are not MIA, they're souped up and full of MIA parts now. I even have a ES-335 pro MIC I got used because it had been 'upgraded' with real Gibson 57 Classic+. It also has the block inlays that remind me of Claptons Cream era 335, Plays sweet, and it's Cherry Red...

The BL Atlas Dred is a fine guitar, very pretty, plays well, has all the correct tone woods. I am happier with the Martin. For me country of origination matters. I am not sure how we would all act if there were suddenly MIM SD pickups manufactured to the MIA specs sold at half the price of MIA models. Would we buy MIM SD PU's instead or stick with MIA models?
 
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I am not sure how we would all act if there were suddenly MIM SD pickups manufactured to the MIA specs sold at half the price of MIA models. Would we buy MIM SD PU's instead or stick with MIA models?

They're called 'Duncan Designed' and they're made in Korea...
 
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I think I didn't state my question clearly enough.

I can't believe the whole attitude of I buy guitars to keep them... That is silly else we would all still have our original 68 les pauls custom and 72 thinline tele. You grow tired or weary of a guitar.

I have owned my 1974 Telecaster Custom for 30 years. I have a custom-made guitar i designed that will be 20 years old next year. "Silly" is selling those great guitars we owned years ago, and this forum is testament to that ... the number of people who talk about having sold the best guitar(s) they ever owned and regretting it ever since is almost a daily occurrence here. When you're younger, guitars may come and go as you experiment to see what suits you, but as you get older, constant gear flipping gets very tedious and you tend to settle with what works. Bonds are formed.

If you buy a guitar with resale in mind, by all means get something that will sell well. But if you're actually a guitar player, an aspiring musician, buy whatever works for you regardless of country of origin, and just play the bloody thing. Personally i buy guitars to play ... if they happen to be cheaper, less-well-regarded instruments, I accept that IF i should no longer require the instrument, i won't get much money back for it, it's obvious. But i don't have those thoughts, it's all about buying the right instrument in the first place, and that comes from knowing what you want and doing the research.

Just buy one that works for you and play it. It really is that simple.
 
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I have not bought a single piece of my equipment with the thought of resale. Will an MIA have better resale value yes. But that is not the criteria I would use to buy a guitar (resale). When I think MIA I think quality, and I expect that. But honestly I will always go and get something that works for me better, and fits into my budget. Lots of good stuff out there regardless where it is made and of course lots of crappy stuff out there regardless where it is made. The main criteria I look at when buying a guitar is playabilty, feel & balance and of course good construction.
 
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I think I didn't state my question clearly enough.

I can't believe the whole attitude of I buy guitars to keep them... That is silly else we would all still have our original 68 les pauls custom and 72 thinline tele. You grow tired or weary of a guitar. It is perfectly normal and natural to sell one to obtain another. That aside...

I was thinking along the lines more of contribution to the American economy, employing American guitar builders in this country and not some import office staff... AND the resale value should also be considered. I think really my question was more of do you consider who is going to earn when you purchase a new guitar and is that important to you. Along the lines of what chadd said except he is a little bit China focused. I honestly think that should be applied to all good but especially Guitars.

By getting the import I am allowing Korea to earn at the expense of employing people here... and the resale value... I am going to exchange the Breedlove for the Martin. thats my personal bottom line and I was just wondering if others made these sorts of considerations when purchasing a new guitar.

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I don't think individual attitude toward buying guitars is gonna affect American or Korean or other economies for that matter. The guitars are already made and the workers have already been paid. If you don't buy a Chinese LTD then someone else would. What's required is an attitude at a larger scale, not individual scale. If everybody who uses Seymour Duncan only buys American made guitars for example, then it would definitely have an impact.
 
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It's always funny to see people attaching so much value to stuff that is produced in their own country. Us Dutch people hardly ever suffer from that ;). The concensus over here pretty much is, you try get the best stuff for the lowest price. We don't have major guitar brands here, just some luthiers who do small amounts and customs (check out Rikkers gitaar).

Concerning resale value, I do not consider it buying guitars, I do consider it buying pedals. Guitars are there to stay when I buy them, pedals may change.

I do not oppose buying anything from any country. I do not condone practices of countries like China or North-Korea and would happily support no-trade boycots against them. On the other hand, these people need to eat too and I do not mind getting some pedals or guitars etc. that are good from a country like China (I would not go North Korea). That will give them at least something too eat... Over that I preffer supporting specific organizations that try to improve the life of those people there, yet I think the system has to be changed from within. Like your American revolution against the English, it will only work if it comes from the people in stead of from some external power. If they do not have enough food for their kids and you will take their business=bread away, they will not listen to your politics...

Politics aside, I think some prices (like Gibson's) are rediculously high and I do not think I will even be able to justify buying one new. It's just too much money for what you get. I'd rather have a custom made guitar or a good DIY gibson type guitar copy (something like precision guitars).
 
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I never think about re-sale value when I buy a guitar. And if you think about it, some Made in Japan guitars from the '80s are starting to get valuable.
 
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