Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

Re: Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

separate the shield/screen from the "cold/-"

Thank you, I'll do that.
But my diagram still places the DPDT "before" vol pots in the signal chain. Didn't you say that I want the switch to be after the pots?
 
Re: Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

The colors are fine, I was able to follow your symbols for start, finish, and shield. You've disconnected the shielded ground from the coil lead, which is correct. You've also moved the Neck + to the DPDT, which allows you to slide the neck volume pot in the circuit the way you have. In parallel mode, you're getting the expected outcome.

In series mode, however, the relationship of the volume pots is a little odd. In the middle position on the 3-way, the two volume pots are in parallel to one another before meeting back up to go into the neck pickup. Each will work as a master volume, but the taper is going to be very steep. With the position of the 3-way in either neck or bridge you will have one volume pot acting as a master volume, while the second is sitting parallel to the pickup. A variable resister to ground sitting parallel to the pickup... I need a little more time to think through how that will impact the tone and the behavior of the pot as you roll it down.

If you wanted to drill a hole in your guitar, I could fix this with a 4PDT mini-toggle, but I know that's not often a desirable solution. The extra poles allow one of the volume pots (and its associated tone pot) to be removed from the circuit in series mode. But with a DPDT push/pull, I'm drawing a blank.
 
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Damn what a pickle I'm in. Can you see why I went to the vol pots in the way I did? I looked at the original DPDT diagram and thought "Well, those wires go to the selector switches 'inputs', but I have pots at that stage, so I'll just wire em there instead!" How naive of me haha. If guitar wiring were a language, I could speak it phonetically, but not literally. I kinda know where things go, but I don't really know why they go there.
Thank you very much for your help so far. At this point I'm tempted to wire the guitar with only a master vol and tone and not connect the other pots, so that I can replicate the original 1728.com diagram exactly. That would be a huge shame, but it seems to be the simplest option. I'd love to have my 335 with the proper configuration, so if you or some other mad scientist/magician can help I would be endlessly grateful.
Maybe I'll wire the mod in with two pots and decide whether the mod is worth only having a master vol and tone. Trouble is I think it will be haha. Thanks again.
 
Re: Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

...if you wanted to drill a hole in your guitar, I could fix this with a 4PDT mini-toggle, but I know that's not often a desirable solution. The extra poles allow one of the volume pots (and its associated tone pot) to be removed from the circuit in series mode. But with a DPDT push/pull, I'm drawing a blank.

No need to drill. A Fender S1 Switch is like a push-pull pot but the switch is a 4DPT instead of just a 2DPT. Just replace one of the two volume controls or one of the two tone pots with a Fender S1 Switch.
 
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That's a great suggestion Jack but I've got witch hat knobs so I'm not sure I could use an S1. Isn't that the switch where the top face of the knob acts as a push/push? Also Unfortunately I can't access that link. I'm met with the message "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator", sorry man.
 
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That's a great suggestion Jack but I've got witch hat knobs so I'm not sure I could use an S1. Isn't that the switch where the top face of the knob acts as a push/push? Also Unfortunately I can't access that link. I'm met with the message "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator", sorry man.

Yes, the S1 Knob has an inner circle portion that depresses in, separate to the "outer ring" of the knob. But there is a Strat-style version of the knob (available in both creme and black) and a Tele-style /chrome barrel version of the knob. Which yes, neither of which is an exact match for witch hat style knob.

I'm not sure why that pic did not load; it is just a copy of one i loaded to another thread a few weeks ago. Anyways, below is another attempt with a new copy. If it still doesn't load, what it depicts is a schematic of how the switxhing works on the Fender S1. Which comes up readily when you do an image search for Fender S1 switch.

Here's another option on this scenario: let's say you go with all 4 pots (one being a psuh-pull for the Master Series-Parallel switch), no S1 , no other 4DPT switch. I believe you could quickly resolve the issue Mike S is concerned about in Series mode by just raising the volume of the trouble-causing volume pot to 100%. Its a quick manuever, so the problem is brief in its duration, and only occurs *if* that vplume pot wasn't already set to 100%. And if needed, use a No Load Pot for the pot type.

fender-s1-wiring-diagram-wiring-diagram-data.jpg
 
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Yep that picture came through Jack. Sorry man I don't think I could get past having one mismatched knob haha, the S1 is a great idea though.
I was going to ask if keeping both Volume pots on full would resolve the issue. I like your idea about no load pots too - intrigued to see what Mike thinks of that idea. Keeping the volumes up wouldn't be an issue for me really.
 
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How did I forgot about the S1? The S1 can be wired to work, if you are OK with the change in knobs. I believe they make a flat top version for tele, if that’s more your style. Thanks for the reminder.

As for no load pots, they work for tone controls, but not volume controls. On 10 it would completely cut the signal.
 
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Another possibility: since (per the sketch) the Master Series/Parallel switch is being setup as a Push-Pull on the Bridge volume pot, then convert the current Bridge Tone pot to a push-pull also - and wire it its switch to handle the "deactivate the Bridge Volume/Tone" feature that Mike mentioned. The Bridge volume and tone controls are in close enough proximity to each other that you could feasibly pull up (or push down) both controls at the same time. Would be even easier to do so if push-push controls were used instead of push-pull.
 
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How did I forgot about the S1? The S1 can be wired to work, if you are OK with the change in knobs. I believe they make a flat top version for tele, if that’s more your style. Thanks for the reminder.

As for no load pots, they work for tone controls, but not volume controls. On 10 it would completely cut the signal.

No Load pots can be used as Volume controls if you do it this particular way on a dual concentric pot and apply some DIY mod methods to the pot. The pot values in the video need to be adjusted since the video demonstrates for a bass guitar control and here we are talking about a guiar volume control.

 
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Sorry guys just woken up across the pond haha. I like the S1 idea but I honestly think having one mismatched knob would look a little too bizarre. I'd probably choose to wire the guitar with a master vol and tone over that option. Jack I like your idea about doing it with two push/pulls, though again I'd probably choose to only use two pots so I'd only have to throw one switch.

Mike would my diagram be okay if I just kept the volume pots all the way up when in series mode? I could totally live with that.
 
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Your diagram does place the two pickups in series in any position of the 3-way. That second volume pot running parallel to the pickups is going to be parasitic, and some (higher) frequencies are going to find their way to ground, even on "10". In series mode, that could get pretty dark. Since you're dealing with a semi-hollow, I recommend making a cardboard template that will hold the circuit together while you solder it up, but then also use it to keep everything together to test it all before beginning the process of fishing all that back through an F-Hole.

As far as the S-1 is concerned, no one said the knobs have to be mismatched... you're allowed to change the other 3 ;)

As for no-loads as volume, I'll concede that with enough DIY modification you can make a lot of things happen. That's a fairly advanced operation, though.

I'll add a couple other options...
1) There's another way to wire the push/pull that eliminates the issue with the volume knobs, however, the series mode not override the 3-way. In other words, series mode would work in the middle and neck positions, but the bridge position of the 3-way would effectively be a killswitch in series mode. That may or may not be desirable.
2) If you want to keep two control pots and like to experiment, there's always the G&L PTB tone circuit. I've used this circuit on a couple of my guitars with complex coil switching so that I don't have to remember which coil combinations use which tone pot. The bass control might also help with taming that fat series mode.

I know I'm complicating it further by throwing more options at you. If you decide to wire it up as you have it drawn, please report back because I'd be very interested in hearing your experience with how the volume pots act in series mode.
 
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Thanks Mike that’s really helpful! It’s good knowing what all my options are. That rules out my diagram, which is fine. I’m totally fine with your option #1. I don’t mind that the series switch doesn’t totally overriding the selector switch, especially if that allows me to keep the 4 pot configuration. Would I have to incorporate something like the diagram shown back in this thread from guitar-mods.com?
 
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The diagram from the first post? It would be close to that, but I think I would make a minor change in the push/pull to better suit a 2 volume guitar. I can draw it up, but it will be later in the day or possibly tomorrow.

I also want to redraw your diagram again just so I'm not sure I'm not missing anything. One thing I didn't do was to consider wiring the volume pots "backwards" to decouple them. I've done a series mod that way on a jazz bass with success, but I was less worried about treble roll-off on the bass than I would be on a guitar.
 
Re: Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

The diagram from the first post? It would be close to that, but I think I would make a minor change in the push/pull to better suit a 2 volume guitar. I can draw it up, but it will be later in the day or possibly tomorrow.

I also want to redraw your diagram again just so I'm not sure I'm not missing anything. One thing I didn't do was to consider wiring the volume pots "backwards" to decouple them. I've done a series mod that way on a jazz bass with success, but I was less worried about treble roll-off on the bass than I would be on a guitar.

Wow, Mike, you've mentioned a lot of neat technical tricks and insights in this thread. Thanks for sharing!
 
Re: Does this master series-parallel wiring diagram seem valid?

I would make a minor change in the push/pull to better suit a 2 volume guitar. I can draw it up, but it will be later in the day or possibly tomorrow.

Thank you so much Mike that would be amazing! Like Jack said you’re obviously full of ideas. I’m really grateful for you guys for helping me do this, literally couldn’t do it without you
 
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Did you have any luck with the diagram Mike? No worries if it’s not possible, I would totally settle for wiring the guitar with just a master tone and vol but it would be a shame to lose the four pots.
 
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Hey, sorry about that... the good news (for me) is that one of my projects that was on hold for COVID-19 got the green light to proceed on Monday. The bad news is that I haven't had a chance to sit down and draw this out. I didn't forget about you.
 
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