Doublecut les Paul
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Ashurbanipal
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
I assume you're talking about these:
They were made in the late 90s, and I believe in the early 2000s for a while too. It seems like they sought to compete with PRS. Some versions even had a tapered headstock for straight string pull.
The only double cuts that seem to be available now are the VOS versions of the Junior and Special, which cost stupid money for what they are.
There's also this one, but I don't know if it's still in production. It's somewhat different in shape and has Burstbuckers. The previous d/c models had '57 Classics.
There was a faded version of the d/c Special available a few years ago as well.
I assume you're talking about these:
They were made in the late 90s, and I believe in the early 2000s for a while too. It seems like they sought to compete with PRS. Some versions even had a tapered headstock for straight string pull.
The only double cuts that seem to be available now are the VOS versions of the Junior and Special, which cost stupid money for what they are.
There's also this one, but I don't know if it's still in production. It's somewhat different in shape and has Burstbuckers. The previous d/c models had '57 Classics.
There was a faded version of the d/c Special available a few years ago as well.
Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Doublecut les Paul
I believe this was Tokai's version of some or other Gibson, but truth be told, I have no idea exactly what model, nor whether it's an exact representation of what Gibson did. I'm curious though, as I do rather like the idea. My first good guitar was my Yamaha MSG which has similar lines, but is smaller and lighter overall.
I believe this was Tokai's version of some or other Gibson, but truth be told, I have no idea exactly what model, nor whether it's an exact representation of what Gibson did. I'm curious though, as I do rather like the idea. My first good guitar was my Yamaha MSG which has similar lines, but is smaller and lighter overall.
Ashurbanipal
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
^^ That's a faded Special, made 2005-08. They came in red, yellow, and black. You could probably find one used.
There was also a late 90s version, called the LP Junior Lite, which had small trapezoid inlays.
Why they were discontinued, well, these models were never as popular as single cut LPs or SGs, and the control layout is funky. I guess they're one of those things that come and go every so often in a standard format. VOS is another story.
^^ That's a faded Special, made 2005-08. They came in red, yellow, and black. You could probably find one used.
There was also a late 90s version, called the LP Junior Lite, which had small trapezoid inlays.
Why they were discontinued, well, these models were never as popular as single cut LPs or SGs, and the control layout is funky. I guess they're one of those things that come and go every so often in a standard format. VOS is another story.
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: Doublecut les Paul
I love the DC look almost as much as the traditional LP shape. I'm the proud owner of a Warmoth DC LP before Gibby forced them to stop production of those even. Either way, they are tough to find these days at a reasonable price (and IMO for good reason).
I love the DC look almost as much as the traditional LP shape. I'm the proud owner of a Warmoth DC LP before Gibby forced them to stop production of those even. Either way, they are tough to find these days at a reasonable price (and IMO for good reason).
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Doublecut les Paul
And PRS didn't originally copy Gibson? Nothing orginal about any PRS designs.
And PRS didn't originally copy Gibson? Nothing orginal about any PRS designs.
jmh151
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
IMO they kinda failed at introducing it to compete with a 24 fret PRS. A PRS 24 fretter has great access to all 24 frets.
I played a Gibson double cut Standard- which had 24 frets. The cutaway was too small- much smaller than a normal Les Paul cutaway- to allow access to the higher frets- and frets 23-24 were very difficult to reach as the fretboard was mainly an overhang into the body, pushing the neck pickup back, yet offering no reduction in heel size or larger cutaway to help upper fret access.
On top of that, legendary Les Paul tone comes from the neck pickup of a 22 Fret Les Paul, which most people prefer.
In my opinion, Hamer did a better job at it for many years
IMO they kinda failed at introducing it to compete with a 24 fret PRS. A PRS 24 fretter has great access to all 24 frets.
I played a Gibson double cut Standard- which had 24 frets. The cutaway was too small- much smaller than a normal Les Paul cutaway- to allow access to the higher frets- and frets 23-24 were very difficult to reach as the fretboard was mainly an overhang into the body, pushing the neck pickup back, yet offering no reduction in heel size or larger cutaway to help upper fret access.
On top of that, legendary Les Paul tone comes from the neck pickup of a 22 Fret Les Paul, which most people prefer.
In my opinion, Hamer did a better job at it for many years
Ashurbanipal
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
Hehe, of course G invented the d/c shape. What I mean is that a combination of certain features like the 24 frets, simplified controls, maple/mahogany in a d/c shape was something G responded to. In the second half of the 90s, PRS was riding a serious high, having begun high volume production in 1995.
Sure, Hamer had been making a maple/mahogany d/c since the 70s but they were a small shop with low output, so never competition for G.
Hehe, of course G invented the d/c shape. What I mean is that a combination of certain features like the 24 frets, simplified controls, maple/mahogany in a d/c shape was something G responded to. In the second half of the 90s, PRS was riding a serious high, having begun high volume production in 1995.
Sure, Hamer had been making a maple/mahogany d/c since the 70s but they were a small shop with low output, so never competition for G.
RoccoFunnyMan
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
I should be getting my Hamer DC this Tuesday, can't wait
I should be getting my Hamer DC this Tuesday, can't wait
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Doublecut les Paul
You're splitting hairs, my friend. PRS are a flat out copy; the 24 fret thing in a body that someone else designed, using woods someone else combined, is hardly an innovation. Dumbing down the controls ('simplified') doesn't help the situation. The wave they've ridden has a lot to do with status and their pursuit of endorsees.
You're splitting hairs, my friend. PRS are a flat out copy; the 24 fret thing in a body that someone else designed, using woods someone else combined, is hardly an innovation. Dumbing down the controls ('simplified') doesn't help the situation. The wave they've ridden has a lot to do with status and their pursuit of endorsees.
jmh151
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
I wouldnt call a PRS a copy of Gibson at all- it's a blend of many guitars- rickenbacker scale, Gibson body woods, fender type trem, fender/ Gibson electronics with coil tapping humbucker s.
I wouldnt call a PRS a copy of Gibson at all- it's a blend of many guitars- rickenbacker scale, Gibson body woods, fender type trem, fender/ Gibson electronics with coil tapping humbucker s.
RoccoFunnyMan
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Doublecut les Paul
More Gibson than anything else, with just enough minor changes to keep them from being totally flagrant. Still nothing original, except maybe that headstock.
More Gibson than anything else, with just enough minor changes to keep them from being totally flagrant. Still nothing original, except maybe that headstock.
Ashurbanipal
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Re: Doublecut les Paul
Your loyalty to and love for Gibson is touching
. You remind me of this sketch sometimes:
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Anyway, this thread is to discuss d/c Gibsons; I did not intend for my trifling and passing comments about PRS to get blown out.
Your loyalty to and love for Gibson is touching
. You remind me of this sketch sometimes:.
Anyway, this thread is to discuss d/c Gibsons; I did not intend for my trifling and passing comments about PRS to get blown out.
speed2dirt
Butterball
Re: Doublecut les Paul
I love the Gibson Longhorn body shape. They took the DC shape and extended the horns a bit and just gave it a sleek look. Things I would change: no EMGs, no piezo, add binding to the neck. Other than that, this guitar is perfect! I would love to try one out in person, but sadly, they've been discontinued and just can't be found in-store anywhere.
I love the Gibson Longhorn body shape. They took the DC shape and extended the horns a bit and just gave it a sleek look. Things I would change: no EMGs, no piezo, add binding to the neck. Other than that, this guitar is perfect! I would love to try one out in person, but sadly, they've been discontinued and just can't be found in-store anywhere.