Dr. Z says modeling amps are going to be the next wave...

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I am all but convinced that I am going to dump all of my pedals and just get an AFX III. I will never give up my tube amps, but the range of options in the AFX is just too much.
 
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I love my Super. I mean LOVE.

The stupid little Peavey Vypyr that I got for $20 used sounds awfully good, though.
 
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I too love my old tube amps. Just picked up another ‘56 Gibson GA20 so I can use it with the one I’ve had for years, using my Korg SD3000 U2 approved delay to split the signal in stereo.

But at the same time, I get more compliments on my tone when I play my Mustang III than I do when I bring one of my old tube amps to a gig.
 
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I love modeling, and I’m sure I’ll use it more as time goes on, but I’ll always love tube amps — partly because of all the people telling me not to.
 
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The worst thing about AxeFx is programming it. I am in a technical field, when I come home to play guitar I just want to plug it in, turn it up and play. I don’t think I’d even be interested in the refrigerator racks of yesteryear.
 
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See my post in the "Tube vs Modelling".

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Yeah, 75% of people say that, love it for about 2 weeks, and then wish they didn't sell their tube amp for one. Fractal is king. Kemper is a close second. Nothing else on the market even comes close to either of them. Orange Amps just release a butt-ugly digital amp that sounds just as butt-ugly, but hey, they're trying to catch up to the crowd. They aren't the only ones. There are a couple, and I think Milkman amps even came out with a digital amp box recently. As much as I like the Fractal stuff, and as cool as some of the new innovations are, tube amps always win.

You might think they're good for practice and recording, but they're really only good for recording IMO. If you practice on one for a week or two then you will have to regain your feel of tube amps again. It's not the same. They don't feel right, so I don't think they're good for practice. You can use them live as many people do, but they don't have the punch or the midrange to cut through like a tube amp can. Even a 25w EL84 amp has more punch and cut than a modeling amp. I have heard a couple of bands using a tube power amp with a Fractal or Kemper, and that's as close as you're going to get. For recording though, I cannot disagree that they sound so good... especially since the guys who usually demo them are skilled players.
 
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Yeah, 75% of people say that, love it for about 2 weeks, and then wish they didn't sell their tube amp for one. Fractal is king. Kemper is a close second. Nothing else on the market even comes close to either of them. Orange Amps just release a butt-ugly digital amp that sounds just as butt-ugly, but hey, they're trying to catch up to the crowd. They aren't the only ones. There are a couple, and I think Milkman amps even came out with a digital amp box recently. As much as I like the Fractal stuff, and as cool as some of the new innovations are, tube amps always win.

You might think they're good for practice and recording, but they're really only good for recording IMO. If you practice on one for a week or two then you will have to regain your feel of tube amps again. It's not the same. They don't feel right, so I don't think they're good for practice. You can use them live as many people do, but they don't have the punch or the midrange to cut through like a tube amp can. Even a 25w EL84 amp has more punch and cut than a modeling amp. I have heard a couple of bands using a tube power amp with a Fractal or Kemper, and that's as close as you're going to get. For recording though, I cannot disagree that they sound so good... especially since the guys who usually demo them are skilled players.

A guy or gal would be foolish to sell a much loved tube amp to buy a modeler.

But why not enjoy both? I do.

And I have no problem going from one amp to the other.

If you can really play, and you’re a fairly complete musician, they feel about the same.

No biggie going from my modeler to my other amps.

As for playing live with a band, I get more compliments when I bring my Mustang III than I do when I play through my Deluxe Reverb.

The Celestion speaker in the Mustang helps...but I have a Celestion in my DR too...a G12H30.

So I guess my experience using a modeler onstage hasn’t been the same as yours.
 
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Yeah, 75% of people say that, love it for about 2 weeks, and then wish they didn't sell their tube amp for one. Fractal is king. Kemper is a close second. Nothing else on the market even comes close to either of them. Orange Amps just release a butt-ugly digital amp that sounds just as butt-ugly, but hey, they're trying to catch up to the crowd. They aren't the only ones. There are a couple, and I think Milkman amps even came out with a digital amp box recently. As much as I like the Fractal stuff, and as cool as some of the new innovations are, tube amps always win.

You might think they're good for practice and recording, but they're really only good for recording IMO. If you practice on one for a week or two then you will have to regain your feel of tube amps again. It's not the same. They don't feel right, so I don't think they're good for practice. You can use them live as many people do, but they don't have the punch or the midrange to cut through like a tube amp can. Even a 25w EL84 amp has more punch and cut than a modeling amp. I have heard a couple of bands using a tube power amp with a Fractal or Kemper, and that's as close as you're going to get. For recording though, I cannot disagree that they sound so good... especially since the guys who usually demo them are skilled players.
Have you ever played through a Spider Valve?

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The worst thing about AxeFx is programming it. I am in a technical field, when I come home to play guitar I just want to plug it in, turn it up and play. I don’t think I’d even be interested in the refrigerator racks of yesteryear.

My friend is a Fractal artist and he claims it is much easier with the Axe-Edit software.

https://www.fractalaudio.com/axe-edit-3/
 
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Well, it is a wave, probably of many next waves. I love my Fractal, and don't use my amp much anymore. The Fractal makes great sounds all the time, through any PA system and it is consistent from day to day. That is all I need right now.
 
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I have a great sounding tube amp
But to get it into the sweet spot, I really will piss off my neighbors

I mostly just plug into my Roland Cube

Here about a month ago is went to jam with a friend
I grabbed my Peavey VIP2 one of the LPs and a bass ,
The VIP is a Swiss army knife of amps

Heck I can roll it over to a Fender twin and dime the reverb
That's my tone

Everything just chimes

At 40.watts is just fine
The Cube at 30 watts just doesn't have the power to compete with a drummer

The VIP2 is light and other than one of the plastic corners coming of
Durable as can be

The 20 watts Vyper I had felt like it would collapse if I dropped it on a corner

Again most modelers I have will do an awesome clean fender chime

I'm golden
 
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I don't even know how much difference there is micing a great tube amp vs running it all digital though a profiler for recording. It's obviously all going to be digitized anyway for recording anymore.As far as playing in a room live , there is no comparison with a great tube amp versus a modeler, and anyone who thinks there is is sadly mistaken, IMHO( tube amp blows digital totally away, and always will).But much of modern music requires no tone, only a digital sound.
 
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I'm telling you. Play through a digital/tube hybrid.
Then talk to me.

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Those computer amps have no soul.

Exactly. I hate it with modelers how digital they look and feel, no matter how good the might sound. Not to mention if I have to use computer to adjust it it... yuck.

However, when the modelers like Yamaha THR100 kick up... I think it will really hit the sales of mid range tube amps. It's just so much easier and practical...
 
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I'm interested to see how Tubes vs Modelling vs Nutube is going to play out.

For now, tubes are still king but these other ideas are getting close.

Modellers keep getting better but seem to still be missing something. Especially the modellers that are priced at the low and mid price ranges. When they make stuff comparable to current Axe FX and Kemper modellers and price it in the mid range, you might see things starting to shift more. The fact so many pros who can afford Kemper and Axe FX have gone that route tells me there will be a point where modellers will be perfected and even the lower end will be hard to tell in an AB comparison. It's not so much how they sound, but how they feel. Even the low end sounds very close but they don't quite react like a tube amp does.... yet. Haven't tried a high end modeller, but can only assume they are getting closer and one day will nail it.

Nutube is basically a new way to make a very old component. What's been missing with Vox's Nutube amps is a power amp using Nutubes. Their latest amp is a step in that dierection, but is basically the same application of the Nutube preamp components as they were doing in the valvetronics series with a 12AX7. It's not actually creating the power, it's in the signal path to add warmth.
 
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I think Milkman amps even came out with a digital amp box recently.

If you mean their new "The Amp", that has a single valve preamp and a solid-state power section.



Has anyone tried the Joyo Klonz? Digital switching an analogue circuit (I think)?
 
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Those computer amps have no soul.

I think it’s just conservatism, pure prejudice and a lack of actual experience that makes players say things like this.

Seeing Adrian Belew at the Boulder Theater playing through his Line 6 amps and killing it opened my mind. (So much for modelers not cutting through or getting lost onstage!)

But what finally turned me around was being asked to join a band summer before last and doing one gig with the original guitarist...before he left for good.

He had a Line 6 and I had my ‘66 Deluxe Reverb and my small pedalboard with a Klon clone and Electro Harmonix delay.

I felt so tonally limited compared to all of the great sounds he was pulling out of his amp with no pedals.

I went shopping for a modeler the next day.

Took a couple of trips to Guitar Center to try Line 6 and I forget what else. But finally I met the right salesman and he showed me the Fender Mustang III which he thought was the best for the money.

Spent another hour comparing and he let me make some changes and reprogram some of the presets and eventually I was convinced he was right.

But you cannot judge based solely on the factory presets.

You’ve got to learn to create your own.
 
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