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NegativeEase
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Very cool, this is how my house is decorated ironically -just no Charvels or Jacksons (Im a Kramer dude when I go full 80s). Wall to Wall gear!
That Robin Crosby guitar is badass.
I do find it hilarious that someone spent all this money but yet cheaped out with those gross non-locking no reinforced and non padded cheap ass guitar hooks. Those are the cheapest you can buy!
That Robin Crosby guitar is badass.
I do find it hilarious that someone spent all this money but yet cheaped out with those gross non-locking no reinforced and non padded cheap ass guitar hooks. Those are the cheapest you can buy!
NegativeEase
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I have to pray at least he's hit pine studs with those screws, BUT looks like a California house based on the the stair railing, so I have my doubts there are wood studs, more likely Gavanized Steel studs which require a hollow wall toggle bolt to do properly.
so I'm thinking aside from terrible choice of guitar hook, also poor installation!
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "non-locking" or by "no reinforced". They certainly are padded. While being relatively cheap, they are not the "cheapest". And they function perfectly fine.
I'm wondering, first how you have determined that they are drywall screws. And secondly if you are implying that drywall screws are inferior to another type of screw. You can't do much better than a 2.5-3" drywall screw into a wooden stud...looks like the spacing could be about 16" on centers. (Yes, a 4" long 1/4" lag bolt would be better, but waaayyy overkill.)
Securb
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Drywall screws are brittle and prone to snap especially when fastening something rigid like a board. There are certain tools for certain jobs. If you are going to mount guitars to a wall, make sure you are hitting a wood stud and use wood screws. You can definitely do better than a drywall screw.
A custom made stainless steel stair railing means that it's a California house? Please explain how you got that.
Being a California house means steel studs?! I was a carpenter in California for most of my early life building custom homes and some commercial buildings and estimating for a drywall company building high-end condos, apartments, and custom homes...RARELY did any home have steel studs. Condos, commercial buildings, and some large luxury homes had steel studs. And, are you implying that steel studs are inferior to wood?
You know that toggle bolts were NOT used? How?
Your contributions to this thread are only negative, critical, and based on assumption. Great! You have enlightened us with your wisdom.
NegativeEase
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First, -yes those style have a little 1/8" or /16" padding -but those are the cheap ones -I've owned them -thats how I know, the little dipsh*t pop metal is not something you put a valuable guitar 10' off the ground. An these are guitars worth 10 -20k + A PIECE right? -make sense?
Second -looking closely at the video (about 45% of the way in) they appear to be countersunk drywall screws -which are not structural -and not meant for extra gravity and lateral loads at all, whereas a toggle bolt would or lag screw would generally be a Pan, Round or Full bearing type slightly larger head -There is still a chance those are pan head construction grade screws of course ,.... but based on his choice of guitar hook, ......... it appears poor choices were made either way.
He has a 6 figure guitar collection hanging on maybe a 100 dollars worth of pop metal non locking non heavy pad hooks.
Drywall screws are way superior to wood screws. Drywall screws are hard and durable, wood screws are soft and break easily when you hit a hard spot (knot) and they strip easily. Drywall screws are NOT prone to "snap when fastening to to something rigid like a board"...That is precisely what they ARE designed to be used for.
Where are you getting all of your negative disinformation?
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Probably from being a carpenter for years and having to remove multiple snapped drywall screws.
https://www.familyhandyman.com/proje...to%20hardwoods.
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Securb
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NegativeEase
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It's okay to not be aware of the nuances of fasteners GuitarDoc.
It's really not that big of a deal.
But I've been designing and building production facilities for 30 years -hanging and storing guitars is a speciality
devastone
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If it is the same Hotel Coral Essex on Reverb, he is supposedly in the UK, and has a lot of guitars for sale, mostly at largely inflated prices. I contacted him about an ESP Mirage a few years ago, which I'm pretty sure he still has, it's not a guitar that goes for 2X+ it's original selling price, even with inflation.
https://reverb.com/shop/essex-recording-studios
https://reverb.com/shop/essex-recording-studios
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I personally agree with you that those are not good quality guitar wall hangers (I also have some), and, true, the padding is 1/8" thick, (not 1/16", I just measured it), and I agree that if they were my guitars I would use a much better hanger. They are not pop (pot?) metal, they are pressed steel.
OK, here is where it get ridiculous. If those hangers are designed to be used with flathead screws (like sheetrock screws) then those are the best type of screws to use. If they are designed to be used with roundhead or panhead screws then those would be the best screws to use. But I can't see clearly anywhere in the vid where that can be determined. Most of the screws, actually, appear NOT to be drywall screws...most of them are shiny steel and some of them are roundhead screws (drywall screws are flathead and a flat blackish color, definitely NOT shiny). In any case, drywall screws ARE structural and can easily handle the loads of the leverage in that hanger base. ("Extra gravity"?? Where does the extra gravity come from. It is a fair assumption that this vid was taken on the same planet that I live on!)
Yes, a toggle bolt or lag screw would be "better", but they would not be necessary (actually, a sheetrock screw into a stud would be WAY better than a toggle bolt in drywall). If those hangers are designed for flathead screws (like sheetrock screws) then flathead screws, not round or panhead, would actually be "full bearing" and would be the best choice of screws.
You assume that since he is using a poor choice of guitar hanger that everything else he has done or used is also poor. Not an accurate assumption to make especially since you were wrong about some of the other observations you have made.
Look, I'm not defending the guy or his choice of hangers (or screws), I think he made some bad choices. But at least get your facts straight.
NegativeEase
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You are coming out of Holiday strong and fesity Doc! I just can't imagine hanging those $$$ guitars on those shi*tty hooks from that height -even the Hard Rock Cafe doesn't do that with their cheapest guitars.
I call into question EVERYTHING about this man's life....
Is his house even built on a piled foundation?
My dad was a general contractor since I was 5 years old. I worked as a carpenter/contractor for over 20 years. Yes, I have broken drywall screws while installing drywall (never have to remove them, just spackle over them). But I have never broken any when I pre-drill as you would do with wood screws (but I've broken or stripped MANY wood screws...even when pre-drilling).
Read the entire article. The comparison is made with drywall screws self-tapping into the wood and wood screws being pre-drilled with two sizes of drill bits. If you pre-drill for the hardened steel drywall screw, it will not snap or break near as easily as a soft metal wood screw.
I totally agree, I also would not hang those guitars, or any guitar, on those crummy hangers. I just don't agree with some of your "observations" and assumptions.
