DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

  • Fender Super-Sonic 22

    Votes: 8 53.3%
  • Vox AC15

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • Marshall DSL15

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • Total voters
    15
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

IMHO the gain/more gain channel on the HRDX sounds terrible. The clean channel is pretty good and cranked into breakup sounds great, but is incredibly loud, like marshall halfstack loud. For about the same price as the SS you could get a 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb or for a little less the 68 Custom Princeton which are both fantastic sounding amps. And, if you live in the US, Sweetwater is currently selling some of their showroom demo amps for a discounted price
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

Are these silverface princetons or deluxes good? because I can get SS from showroom kinda really cheap (less than 100$ more than Hot Rod/blues dlx). 22 watts seems like a perfect wattage for me but loud 15 is good too so I'll check those two. I can get 68 Priceton for the price off SS... not sure it's worth.
 
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I haven't personally tried the Princeton, but the Deluxe is really good. I think it sounds much better than the 65 BF Deluxe RI. The Bassman tone stack channel on the 68 is a really great sounding feature
 
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I know I'm biased, but I'm not a huge fan of any of these amps. Some of the recently issued VOX and Marshall stuff I've tried out is just junk. The SS would probably get my vote, but Fender QC these days isn't anything special, either. And you might want to consider the Peavey Classic 30 in this mix, too. But again, MIC.

I prefer the sound and dynamics of a big-bottle amp, and for the last 20 years or so I've been using Mesa amps. I have Mark IIIs, a IV, a V; and then two EL84-based amps, the DC-3 and the Maverick. At around 35 watts, these two can handle almost any gig I play at, but I'm still partial to the 6L6 amps. And the Mark Series amps can all be switch down to 10-15 watts, if I'm looking for that "pushed" tone.

I recently spent a few days up in Seattle, and got to try some of the new smaller Mesa EL84 amps. The TA-15 and TA-30 (30 Watts) lean toward VOX-like tones. The TA-15 is one of those little lunch-box heads and sounds really great--my only quibble is that I wish it had an EFX loop, not an issue in the bigger amp. The little Mini Recto Reverb is a wolf in sheep's clothing--a totally stealthy gain monster. The Mark V Mini head really captures the essence of the big Mark V, in a 16 lb. head. That is a totally awesome amp. The Express 5:25+ is a bit simpler, and kind of the in-between amp of the line. Does the country, blues, hard rock, jazz stuff really well. They are all versatile amps, but each one is voiced a little differently.

So my thought is this: almost any amp you get is going to be a compromise. I'm like a lot of players these days who need an amp that is rugged, well-built, and versatile. I play in a band that crosses over into five genres, but a lot of guys these days play in five different bands! And having a stable of different amps to choose from is pretty smart, though it can get to be an expensive habit fast. I'm blessed to have several Mesas at the moment, so I can cover very differently sized venues, and get some different tones when I need them. If you can afford to record and tour with a wall of amps like Stevie Ray--great. If you only play Death Metal and XYZ amps is the only company that makes suitable amps--go for it. But if you need something a little more versatile, then I think Mesa is the way to go.

Yeah, it costs more--probably WAY out of your budget. I know I broke my wallet when I bought my first Mark III, but it was worth it. It had exactly the tone I was looking for; it was versatile--great cleans and lead tones--and in no time at all my playing got better, and I started getting lots of compliments on my tone. That's a GREAT feeling! I finally had the tool to get the job done--the RIGHT tool. I had been struggling for a number of years with amps that couldn't cut it for one reason or another--vintage SUNN, Marshall, Acoustic Control, and several Fenders before I got the Mesa and then BAM!!! It was an "AHA!!!" moment of the Nth degree.

So if you get a chance, take a look and listen at some of the small amps in the Mesa line. Used amps occasionally pop up on the Craigslist, and they could be worth looking at. Mesas has a 5-year warranty on their amps and it's transferrable, so it is one of the best in the business. Take a little time to look at the Owner's Manuals (they're on Mesa's web-site) so you can get a quick feel for what the amp is capable of. All of that versatility does come with a learning curve.

If one of the amps you've mentioned is really blowing your skirt up, fine--go for it. If you're at the stage of your career where you need a little more, and you don't want to waste time or money fooling around with lesser gear, then you've got some thinking and planning to do. I'm not advocating that your kids go without shoes or you let your house go into foreclosure, but if I'd known then what I know now--I would have moved heaven and earth to get that first Mesa amp YEARS before I did.

I sincerely hope you find the amp of your dreams, no matter what the brand. It is a great feeling, and I wish you a lot of luck.

Bill
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

I would defently check out some Mesa amps if they weren't so expensive. They are great and probably the most versatile but not something I can afford right now. I'll check out some Fenders I think and maybe give Marshall DSL40 a try. But thanks Bill, very informative.
 
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VOX's, every single time!!!! If my house goes up in flames I'll have two things in my hands when I come running out, my lil boy & my AC-30!!! If the kid can walk his way out then I'll grab my AC-15 Twin too, I probably won't make it, both amps weigh over 70lbs! The only real downside to AC's is the weight & the fact that they don't travel well? If you look at Brian May's wall of AC-30's only about half of them are actually working @ any given point? But you can't beat the sound & there's a reason why they've been making them for over 60 years now, it's very unique and instantly noticeable, bright and chimney, but you can use the cut knob to roll off some of that it & then it sounds a lot like a old Blackface Fender? I.M.H.O. it's most definitely one of the the best amplifiers ever made! Surely one of the the top 3!!!
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

Now I can't really decide. Heavy but a lot of options for money AC15, light and loud Fender Blues Junior or expensive high end Fender amp (SS/68'Princeton/Deluxe reverb). I might go with something cheaper like AC15 or BJR. Vox is 20lbs heavier than BJR...

And I've just found out that 68' Princeton is only 12watts so don't know if it's loud enough on cleans since it's cranking at vol 4...
 
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Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

If it's really that much of a stalemate, why not go off the poll? Sounds like you can get the SS cheap, and it truly is a versatile amp with killer tone. Unless you love overdrive pedals, like I said before, then I would go for the VOX. Keep in mind the SS can do an approximation of a vibrolux and bassman too (IMO they are great cleans) , so that's like 3 quality amps in one.

Oh, and I've heard the 22 watt one holds its own at bedroom volumes too, doesn't need to be cranked. plenty loud though if you want.
 
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I'm playing more bluesy-rock or classic rock stuff mostly (with strat or tele), I don't really use high gain and if I need more gain I use my drive pedal. What about hot rod/blues deluxe? They are for sure bigger (40watts) but since they have master volume I think I might look up this Blues Deluxe since it's cheaper than SS. BJR lacks of functions so that's what I don't like about it ( it may sound a bit boxy too). I don't have time to really take care of modding everything so I need it to be great out of box.
I own a SS22, a BDRI and a BJr. The BJr. is overpriced and requires $$$ spent on mods. to satisfy me. The BDRI is a great amp IMO (I don't care for the Drive/More Drive of the HRDlx), but the SS22 is a bit more versatile. The BDRI can be hard to tame volume-wise for playing at home.

Are these silverface princetons or deluxes good? because I can get SS from showroom kinda really cheap (less than 100$ more than Hot Rod/blues dlx). 22 watts seems like a perfect wattage for me but loud 15 is good too so I'll check those two. I can get 68 Priceton for the price off SS... not sure it's worth.
The Princeton is on the light side for gigging with a band, and I'm not fond of 10" speakers.

Now I can't really decide. Heavy but a lot of options for money AC15, light and loud Fender Blues Junior or expensive high end Fender amp (SS/68'Princeton/Deluxe reverb). I might go with something cheaper like AC15 or BJR. Vox is 20lbs heavier than BJR...

And I've just found out that 68' Princeton is only 12watts so don't know if it's loud enough on cleans since it's cranking at vol 4...
The SS22 or the BDRI are the better choices. Don't skimp on the $$ today....you'll be sorry tomorrow.
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

If you get the Vox and you end up not liking it, it should be easy to sell. If you buy it used, you can probably break even if you don't like it.
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

Now I'm just deciding between SS and AC15 (SS 300$ more) and I'll play on SS again and than I'll decide. They are both good amps though.
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

I've just been in store to pick SS and they told me that SS has just been sold... Not so cheap anymore... Played through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe but wasn't impressed. I can't try AC15 because I can't find it in stock anywhere which might be a problem. Any other suggestions?
 
Re: DSL15 vs. AC15 vs. Super-Sonic

I've just been in store to pick SS and they told me that SS has just been sold... Not so cheap anymore... Played through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe but wasn't impressed. I can't try AC15 because I can't find it in stock anywhere which might be a problem. Any other suggestions?
They're not discontinued (as far as I know), so get the store to order one in for you. You're about to make a significant expenditure, so don't settle for a second choice that you'll end up always 'wishing' you had waited.
 
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