Dual-amp tone heaven...

Hot _Grits

Buttery Toneologist
I finally got the chance to fire up my Vibrolux and Blue Angel yesterday, and holy sh*t did I like what I heard!

I set the two amps up about two metres apart so my very screwed mono hearing could 'move' between the sounds to see what each amp was adding to the sound. Initially, I ran them through the stereo panning outs of my DD5 on a very subtle panning delay equivalent to a touch of reverb, and later added a G2D classic overdrive and a crucible fuzz in front. Guitars were my 57ri with aps2s and a texas hot in the bridge, my CU22 with 59's, my tele custom and my old custom built shredder with a dimarzio PAF.

First up, I was blown away at how good the Blue Angel sounded. It's been worked on by Clarrie, the guy that modded my Vibrolux recently, and it sounded sweet in the extreme. The 6v6 setting had that beautiful glassy fender high end, and the el84s had a crystalline shimmer. Every guitar sounded clear and balanced through the BA. The reverb was the better of the two, as well.

Moving into overdrive, the 6v6s really impressed me. They have a sweet treble breakup that really suits strat neck pickups. The el84s had a fatter breakup that's very much in the vox camp, as you might expect. Both settings did tend to get a bit 'idiosyncratic' when dimed, though. The 6l6s got quite fuzzy on 10 and the el84s were a little indistinct. Combining the two sets of tubes did help balance the tone, as well as push the volume up, but I think I prefer the individual settings on sub-8 volume. The BA sounded very balanced and musical, and better than I remember it.

In comparison, the Vibrolux sounded more mid-focused, which is much to do with it's ten inch speakers and pre-blackface circuit tweaks. Clean, it has that classic fender 6l6 'click' to the high end, and sounds a little more rough and ready than the BA on clean settings. As you start to push the amp, the 6l6s come into their own, however, with a fat smooth overdrive that stayed focused. Dimed on 10, the overdrive tone was killer. i have to get a transparent boost for solos at gigs, SD perhaps...

So what about the two together?

-well, I only played for a couple of hours, and there are so many ways you can tweak the amps, but tone of the day was setting the vibrolux to the point of breakup at about 4 on the bright channel and adding the BA on 6v6 with slightly more breakup. the el84 setting gives a bit more glisten and shine for chording, though.

Overall, the BA added complexity and shimmer while the vibrolux did the hard yards of hauling the mids. A very nice combination that never sounded like there was too much double teaming of one tonal area, which is the great weakness of multi-amp setups.

I also managed to get a killer hard rock tone with the classic and my old shredder. Very much in the early EVH end of things, though slightly lower gain than most, which makes gymnastics a little taxing.

I'm a very happy puppy.
 
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Stereo rigs are killer! And luckily, those amps aren't backbreakers, so you can travel with both. On a small stage, you could even stack them. There's about 10 million strats in the world, so if you ever miss the one you traded......
 
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Queerboner made a good point, them being small amps you can take both of them to a gig!
 
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Sounds like fun, H_G!
I'm going to spend the month of Feb trying out combinations of heads to use with my Radial Headbone VT head switcher. I want to have a dedicated 'clean' and 'distorted' head with one 4x12, for no other reason than I think that it looks very cool :laugh2:
 
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ankalar said:
Queerboner made a good point
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: OMG, Between that and Jollys nick name for him, I am sure he is happy!!!
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
 
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ankalar said:
Queerboner


Holy f*ck, that made me spit water all over the screen! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
 
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haha, Queerboner! -I think that one'll stick. At least until you get over the G&L thing and buy a suhr, hoho...

Yeah, It's still portable. The vibrolux weighs like a Hot Rod Deluxe. I need to get a new cab for the BA, though, as I currently have a loaner. I'm thinking 4x10 maybe. I'll still just gig with the vibrolux for now, though, as the BA doesn't have super headroom and I like to travel light...

have fun, TO. It's a REALLY good time.

Y2, I swapped the strat. I'm very glad I did now.
 
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LOL Ankalar!! Nice name for GJ. What was his other nickname??

Grits, glad to know you sold the strat and got back the Blue Angel. Always remember a good amp can make a cheap guitar sound amazing lol
 
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H_G,
I'm glad that deal worked out!

I think that's the way you really were leaning anyway.

I'd love to have a cool setup like that myself, and I'm going to look around for a small class A amp.

BTW, Tim & Neil were just great Friday night! You woulda loved it. We were about 24' to stage left of Neil. They played for 2 hours, and did 2 encores. A very warm, intimate crowd, and there were a LOT of folks singing along. they both played acoustic & electric, and had a bass player ... kinda stripped down, but I loved it.
 
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Curly said:
H_G,
I'm glad that deal worked out!

I think that's the way you really were leaning anyway.

I'd love to have a cool setup like that myself, and I'm going to look around for a small class A amp.

BTW, Tim & Neil were just great Friday night! You woulda loved it. We were about 24' to stage left of Neil. They played for 2 hours, and did 2 encores. A very warm, intimate crowd, and there were a LOT of folks singing along. they both played acoustic & electric, and had a bass player ... kinda stripped down, but I loved it.

haha, true, but it's always good to get the informed opinions of a bunch of tone fiends.

Glad you enjoyed the Finns. Or as we say it, the Funns...
 
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For the record, I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate to twist someone's forum name into something insulting. I know it is in good fun, but piling on seems a bit in poor taste to me. Just my two cents. We could have a lot of Harmony Central fun with some of youse guys names as well.
 
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I hooked up my Tweed Deluxe 5E3 and my Tweed Pro 5E5A with an ABY box and ran several guitars through them.

First of all, I could see in a small club the ability to really have some fun with this combo. Together they sound really cool. You've got the much later breakup of the Pro and the Pro's ultra clear note definition combined with the meltdown that is a Tweed Deluxe.

Seperately, the Pro mops up the floor with the Deluxe in terms of overall tone, headroom, bass response, dynamic range, etc. I'm kinda shocked at how they compared. I guess having 30-35 watts blowing into a 15" JBL is more my cup of tea than a single 12" speaker powered by two 6V6 at about 15-18 watts.

I could see using the Pro for the majority of a set then adding in the deluxe when you wanted to really push it up a bit on the dirty side. Really great tone together. But the Pro far outshines the D.
 
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Hot _Grits said:
. Initially, I ran them through the stereo panning outs of my DD5 on a very subtle panning delay equivalent to a touch of reverb

Holy crap! I've had a DD-5 for 7 years and have never done that with my classic 50 and my Rectoverb :smack: :smack: :smack:
 
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El Dorado said:
Holy crap! I've had a DD-5 for 7 years and have never done that with my classic 50 and my Rectoverb :smack: :smack: :smack:

Well what are you waiting for? get going!
 
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ericmeyer4 said:
how does delay sound in front of the amp? ive always herd them after the distortion.


edm

uh, fine to me. It's very cool to hear the repeats ping-pong in stereo across the amps. To be honest, I have very little experience with using effects loops, so I can't really tell you which approach is better.

I'm having a mini 'tone summit' at my house this weekend, so I'll try out a few different options. I used the dd5 in that way because it's the only pedal I own with stereo outs...
 
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