Duncan JB magnet swap to ceramic.

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I'd be up for demonstrating the difference between the A5 DD and JB, I don't have high enough quality recording equipment tho. It's fairly easy to confirm for yourself. A5 DD still sounds fizzy while JB doesn't. JB has that authentic country tele tone while A5 DD is nowhere near, still sounds synthetic.
 
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I'd be up for demonstrating the difference between the A5 DD and JB, I don't have high enough quality recording equipment tho. It's fairly easy to confirm for yourself. A5 DD still sounds fizzy while JB doesn't. JB has that authentic country tele tone while A5 DD is nowhere near, still sounds synthetic.
My ears probably can't hear the difference.

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If the difference is so stark that you'd have to have tin ears if you can't hear it, then this shouldn't be a problem.
What about aluminum?

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I agree with the OP's description of the JB's tone. It is not an inherently trebly or articulate pickup. It's kind of a blunt instrument: all grunt and honk. A nice thick wall of sound tone if you have an amp with enough headroom, and you are a somewhat lighthanded player, but otherwise, I can't stand it. I am a heavy handed player who plays with thick strings, quiet pickups, and low-headroom amps most of the time. I use my right hand a lot to change what sound I'm getting, and that just doesn't work well for me with a JB. For me, a JB, or any pickup in that vein, hits the amp too hard and compresses it too much. I'd need to relearn how to play and change all my amps to get the best out of a JB.

I don't think the mag swap will help much, based on my own experiences swapping mags into pickup that is similar to the JB. In one case, I took a 500T, which has three ceramic magnets in it (and which, to me, sounded very similar to a JB) through a series of mags, all the way down to an A3 (a quite weak magnet), and the tone differences were negligible. It got ever so slightly better, but its inherent problems were not really changed that much. IME, the more winds a pickup has, the less mag swaps seem to affect the "home base" tone of the pickup. You'd think it would be the opposite, but I have not found that to be true in all my mag swapping.

I would try the Duncan Custom or the Screamin' Demon. They are great middle ground between a Seth/'59/A2P/PG/etc. and a JB. They have the additional heat and punch over P.A.F. types, but without going into that honky, thick JB territory.
 
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^^
I agree.
I do my best work with a jackhammer.
Not everyone does.
( or a flamethrower)...

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The thing is I don't see very many new conclusions being made, to be honest. If you declare someone as having "tin ears" why not post actual test samples, A, B, C and D (JB5, JBC, DD5, DDC) to see whether others agree with you. Likewise, others should submit samples A-D and you try to figure out which is which. To me that better qualifies as "systematic investigation of sources to establish fact."

This is valid and a start, but This won't entirely solve the problem due to guitar, amp, microphone and recorder differences.
 
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If the difference is so stark that you'd have to have tin ears if you can't hear it, then this shouldn't be a problem.

My highest quality recording equipment is a cellphone, I don't think anyone could here the difference over that. And I don't recall anyone saying the difference was big, let alone "so stark that you'd have to have tin ears if you can't hear it".
 
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Here you go:

No. Not the same coils. People claiming that must have tin ears. Or they're only trying the JB with a ceramic because anything with ceramic sounds like a fizzy mess. And not trying Distortion with A5. A5 Distortion still sounds like a Distortion and not a JB. It maintains its fizz, tighter bass, and more true highs. It's not organic, with crinky bass, and upper mid spike like the JB.
If the difference is that stark and you know what to look for then the mic in a phone ought to do the job just fine if positioned carefully and consistently. The mic and lack of gain control are the limiting factors here. The ADC on the phone won't be a problem. I doubt any of us own an insufficient playback device.

Beaubrummels does make the key point about the difficulty in controlling the independent variables. In addition to the mic, I'd say the amp may also also be problematic. That said, I know some of you have commented positively about demos recorded with a cellphone.

I also doubt any of us lack an ample guitar otherwise we probably wouldn't be posting on this forum. I can't account for our abilities as players.
 
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Here you go:

Clint 55 said:
No. Not the same coils. People claiming that must have tin ears. Or they're only trying the JB with a ceramic because anything with ceramic sounds like a fizzy mess. And not trying Distortion with A5. A5 Distortion still sounds like a Distortion and not a JB. It maintains its fizz, tighter bass, and more true highs. It's not organic, with crinky bass, and upper mid spike like the JB.

If the difference is that stark and you know what to look for then the mic on a phone ought to do the job just fine if positioned carefully and consistently. The mic and lack of gain control are the limiting factors here. The ADC on the phone won't be a problem. I doubt any of us own an insufficient playback device.

That quote isn't even accurate. Never has Clint said anything about tin ears or even edited one of his posts.

Have you ever recorded on a cellphone? I frequently use mine to record short little licks that I want to show to my band mates later, but they don't nearly have the quality needed to record for an A/B demonstration.
 
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That quote isn't even accurate. Never has Clint said anything about tin ears or even edited one of his posts.
Other than my bolding two words that is complete lie. That quote contains a link for people to see for themselves.
 
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https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-a-JB-into-a-Distortion&p=4198450#post4198450
No. Not the same coils. People claiming that must have tin ears. Or they're only trying the JB with a ceramic because anything with ceramic sounds like a fizzy mess. And not trying Distortion with A5. A5 Distortion still sounds like a Distortion and not a JB. It maintains its fizz, tighter bass, and more true highs. It's not organic, with crinky bass, and upper mid spike like the JB.
 
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You post in just about every discussion, so please forgive me for thinking you've read it before. Hopefully we aren't pretending the quote isn't relevant.

In case you didn't know, if you click on the arrow in a quotation it takes you to the post being quoted.
 
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Nope, I just think it's best not to escalate these conversations, especially if we must get outside quotes to do it.
 
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The quote is relevant. Some around these parts call it research.
 
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Dave, this is at the very heart of the topic: does a JB sound like a DD when loaded with a ceramic magnet.

I've laid out a way to determine it objectively rather than relying on anecdotal evidence and have addressed some of the valid concerns raised about the methodology.

I guess I should have ignored the accusation of being dishonest in quoting Clint.
 
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But we really don't want this to devolve into a 'I'm right' 'You're wrong' thing. It doesn't end well. I think y'all have your experiences and made them clear. I think any reader can take the responses into consideration, given what we have are personal experiences. There is no need to prove our own truths.
 
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