Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

SirJackdeFuzz

SirJackdeFuzz

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OK, so i am thinking . . . again !

I will be in the States in about 6 weeks time.

My next guitar purchace will be a Les Paul. (...at long bloody last)

I want to get an all Mahogany faded brown body, and re-build the guitar around the Mahogany core.



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. . . faded brown Studio




So here is my question :



Does anyone want to predict the tonal diffs between a Slash A2P sig set, and the new Whole Lotta Humbucker set ?

http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones

The WLH set does not have any B/M/T figures yet.


So far :

Slash A2P : B7 / M5 / T8 - bridge : 8.53k & neck : 7.92k / A2

WLHer set : B? / M? / T? - bridge : 8.78k & neck : 8.20k / A5


Any predictions, views and thoughts welcome.


Thanks
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

I'm gonna say they are more better.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

All Mahogany? Pearly Gates. Unless you want super fat..in which case, A2P's. I gotta believe the WLH are gonna be in the 59 neighborhood.

I'd listen to the specific LP before deciding.


Where you gonna be SirJack? And when?

Those worn Browns are secksy
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

Aceman said:
All Mahogany? Pearly Gates. Unless you want super fat..in which case, A2P's. I gotta believe the WLH are gonna be in the 59 neighborhood.

I'd listen to the specific LP before deciding.


Where you gonna be SirJack? And when?

Those worn Browns are secksy
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Here's the thing.
My brother all ready has a set of 59's in his LP.
I have a redular A2P set in my SG.

That is why the slightly hotter Slash set looks so attractive.
But then again, so does the BK Black Dogs & SD Whole Lotta Humbucker sets.

My Co. wants me back in FL. the middle of April.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

If I were coming to the land of Les Pauls, I think I'd set my sights higher than a Faded Studio. Spend the money and take home a Historic...like a Goldtop 57, a 58 plaintop or a figured 59 or 60. The Burstbucker 1 & 2 set is pretty good.

But if you're going to settle, I go with BBs, Seths, Ants or PGs.

Bill
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

Boogie Bill said:
If I were coming to the land of Les Pauls, I think I'd set my sights higher than a Faded Studio.
Spend the money and take home a Historic...like a Goldtop 57, a 58 plaintop or a figured 59 or 60. The Burstbucker 1 & 2 set is pretty good.

But if you're going to settle, I go with BBs, Seths, Ants or PGs.

Bill
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Thanks Bill...much appreciated.

There is a CUSTOM i have my eyes on.
Yup, trust little 'ol me to go from pocket-freindly Studio to a 1977 (2nd hand) wine red CUSTOM.

Problem is, the store has had that guitar on their web site for over 18 months now.
They want $2700.00 for it. The two pics they have of the guitar makes it seem to be in very good ( A, or even A+ ) cond.
But if an A+ Custom is not selling for $2700.00 . . . i am asking myself . . . WHY NOT ?

What does the other muso's see in that guitar that keeps it from going out the door ?
I checked eVilleBay, and $2700.00 is a fair asking price. It is also my 2nd FAV LP colour.
The only one that i like more is a Plain Top R8. :32:
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

SirJackdeFuzz said:
Problem is, the store has had that guitar on their web site for over 18 months now.
They want $2700.00 for it. The two pics they have of the guitar makes it seem to be in very good ( A, or even A+ ) cond.
But if an A+ Custom is not selling for $2700.00 . . . i am asking myself . . . WHY NOT ?
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Is Wine Red just not in-fashion among the LP Custom buyers ?




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Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

I would say the Whole Lotta Humbucker would be more similar to a set of '59s. Here is what I would guess the specs would be in comparison:

'59 set: B6 / M3 / T8 - bridge : 8.13k & neck : 7.43k / A5

WLHer set : B6 / M5 / T7 - bridge : 8.78k & neck : 8.20k / A5

Bass might be a tad lower on the WLH set. When I compare the 59 to WHL in the neck, the 59 seemed to have more bass and treble present. I think the WLH neck is much more balanced in that position than the '59. Hope this info helps!
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

J.C.R.W said:
I would say the Whole Lotta Humbucker would be more similar to a set of '59s. Here is what I would guess the specs would be in comparison:

.......'59 set: B6 / M3 / T8 - bridge : 8.13k & neck : 7.43k / A5

WLHer set : B6 / M5 / T7 - bridge : 8.78k & neck : 8.20k / A5

Bass might be a tad lower on the WLH set. When I compare the 59 to WHL in the neck, the 59 seemed to have more bass and treble present. I think the WLH neck is much more balanced in that position than the '59. Hope this info helps!
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Thank you very much for the insight !

Much appreciated !
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

SirJackdeFuzz said:
Thanks Bill...much appreciated.

There is a CUSTOM i have my eyes on.
Yup, trust little 'ol me to go from pocket-freindly Studio to a 1977 (2nd hand) wine red CUSTOM.

Problem is, the store has had that guitar on their web site for over 18 months now.
They want $2700.00 for it. The two pics they have of the guitar makes it seem to be in very good ( A, or even A+ ) cond.
But if an A+ Custom is not selling for $2700.00 . . . i am asking myself . . . WHY NOT ?

What does the other muso's see in that guitar that keeps it from going out the door ?
I checked eVilleBay, and $2700.00 is a fair asking price. It is also my 2nd FAV LP colour.
The only one that i like more is a Plain Top R8. :32:
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A modern lp can be a crap shoot in terms of sound and playability. A 70's lp? = an even bigger gamble. Pups could be duds, it might weigh 80 lbs, it could also sound ok. The faded is more likely to have been manufactured in a consistent manor, and you'll have all that money left over for pups and pots and bridge, etc. IMO, the only reason a 70s lp sells for $2700, is because the customer really wants one from the 60's but can't afford it.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

The Slash set is good but it is A2 and pumping mids, not a bad sound but definitely not the sound for everyone. Take the B/M/T numbers with grain of salt as well, they were fairly bright pickups regardless of what guitar I put them in.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

jimlp said:
The Slash set is good but it is A2 and pumping mids, not a bad sound but definitely not the sound for everyone. Take the B/M/T numbers with grain of salt as well, they were fairly bright pickups regardless of what guitar I put them in.
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I never realized that an important ingredient in his tone is playing through 40 ft of cable and a wah pedal without a buffer.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

jimlp said:
The Slash set is good but it is A2 and pumping mids, not a bad sound but definitely not the sound for everyone. Take the B/M/T numbers with grain of salt as well, they were fairly bright pickups regardless of what guitar I put them in.
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Thanks, i'll deff keep that in mind.
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

I think you should be able to get an R8 plaintop for around $2200-$2500, used...maybe less. You should certainly be able to get a recent Custom in that same price range...though it will probably be a basic black version. I prefer the modern Gibsons over the Norlin era guitars hands down. Customs tend to run heavy..often over ten pounds...if that's an issue. And I'd bet the '77 Custom is closer to twelve pounds. But, I don't care for the 490/498 pickup set of the Customs, so....

Some other models to consider are the 1960 Classics, especially the Plus or Premium Plus models of the mid-1990s are nice and with the right upgrades can get close to the Historic vibe. Most of the upper-end models from about 2003 to 2011 are pretty good, but avoid the 2012s. Supremes are a fancier, lightweight version of the Custom. The guitars on the Classic Antique chassis are also lightweight. Standards are good, though I think the Historics are worth the extra money. The Standard Faded models have a matte finish and offered a lot of bang for the buck.

Bottom line...I would certainly take the opportunity to get the best guitar you can afford...get something "special". Keep an eye on ebay and the local craigslist. Hunt down local pawn shops and stores. Get a feel for prices. Read every book and review you can find. Do your homework. Would you be willing to fly to another city for the perfect guitar at a great price?

Lots of choices, enough to make you crazy, I'm sure. Yeah, Historics are my favorites, but I'd have a hard time giving up my Supremes, my Elegant or my 1960 classics. Like I said, you have homework to do.

Bill
 
Re: Duncan VS Duncan for 70's Hard Rock (Les Paul build content)

Boogie, its a 77 so it will have T-tops in it.

Norlins are great for rock/hard rock. They could be heavy, they might not. There's certainly an extra focus to the tone with a big lump of wood. By 77 the pancake body was on its way out, the modern serial number system was on the way in and necks are maple.
I have a maple necked Deluxe from 80.....there is an extra zing you get from having it, so be ready to look for smoother pickups if you get that one.
 
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