Each pedal on pedalboard - connector in/out+true bypass - how much capacitance added?

[Larioso]

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If Boss gave you the choice would be nice.
I have other pedals that do - you have true bypass or allow tailes to ring out when disengaged, so buffered. Internal switch.
Then you could have buffered where you wanted.
It does not fix switch pops of course, but at least a choice.

Some of these bypass loopers are arranged that way - and choice is yours.

I have 2 dual pedal bypass switchers(none, either or both), but use only one currently for two pedals that don't have true bypass.
And nothing stops you from having a couple of pedals in each loop either. Those rarely used could have it's own loop, so out of circuit most of the time.

Many ways to go about it, I guess.

 

[GuitarStv]

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If Boss gave you the choice would be nice.
I have other pedals that do - you have true bypass or allow tailes to ring out when disengaged, so buffered. Internal switch.
Then you could have buffered where you wanted.
It does not fix switch pops of course, but at least a choice.

It's not really possible. Because of the way the regular boss pedal housing is constructed the standard 3pdt switch just won't physically fit.

 

[PFDarkside]

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It's not really possible. Because of the way the regular boss pedal housing is constructed the standard 3pdt switch just won't physically fit.

I present... the TU-3W:

Selectable buffered bypass or true bypass.

I really like the soft touch style bypass switches, they can either switch a relay or a JFET and can have a buffer or not.

 

[GuitarStv]

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I present... the TU-3W:

Selectable buffered bypass or true bypass.

I really like the soft touch style bypass switches, they can either switch a relay or a JFET and can have a buffer or not.

Huh, I'd like to take one apart and see how they did that.

 

[NegativeEase]

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Huh, I'd like to take one apart and see how they did that.

It's Boss man, of course it's done with unicorns and fairy dust in their magic factory in Shizuoka Prefecture

 

[Larioso]

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With relays you don't have the problem with dimensions as a mechanical switch, you can spread them on a circuit board.

A push button style closing switch with a one-shot circuit(just a resistor+cap to debounce mechanical contacts, so one press does not become many) and a flip/flop circuit to engage or release a relay.

I have a couple pedals that has that feel to it - not so hard to press and relay driven probably.

Good thinking there on Boss Tuner it seems.
Pity it didn't spread all over to full line of pedals.

Really nice feel to engage/release the Boss pedals, not just a small push switch.
I still have a Boss Bass Synth I think, to fiddle with bass sounds.
Had a DD3 in the 70's but got rid of it.

 

[Jacew]

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True bypass is a fad. Once it was an improvement compared to cheap pedals with SPDT foot switches that left the input connected.

The loss of highs is why Boss started doing the buffered FET switching, as well as no switch pops.


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It's really not, having more than 1-2 buffered pedals / chain is just a pointless source of problems.

 

[NegativeEase]

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It's really not, having more than 1-2 buffered pedals / chain is just a pointless source of problems.

And yet, Jimi Hendrix bravely climbed the stairs and took the stage knowing he had 3 buffers in a row

 

[Larioso]

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And yet, Jimi Hendrix bravely climbed the stairs and took the stage knowing he had 3 buffers in a row

...and problems he could have avoided.

 

[Gtrjunior]

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Imagine how much better Jimi would have been if only he had true bypass pedals...
The world will never know.
Lol

 

[devastone]

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Imagine how much better Jimi would have been if only he had true bypass pedals...
The world will never know.
Lol

Or buffers and a Metalzone!

 

[PFDarkside]

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And yet, Jimi Hendrix bravely climbed the stairs and took the stage knowing he had 3 buffers in a row

Imagine how much better Jimi would have been if only he had true bypass pedals...
The world will never know.
Lol

I know these are jokes but seriously, I’m not sure how many people could handle his live rig. Multiple cranked 100W Marshalls, a Fuzz Face, then the Vibe, Octavia and Wah. At reasonable volumes that can cause squealing for a mortal, doing it with his live rig is like a vintage sports car with no seatbelt. Not only did he control it, he was able to make groundbreaking music with it. Truly amazing when you think about it.

 

[Gtrjunior]

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I know these are jokes but seriously, I’m not sure how many people could handle his live rig. Multiple cranked 100W Marshalls, a Fuzz Face, then the Vibe and Wah. At reasonable volumes that can cause squealing for a mortal, doing it with his live rig is like a vintage sports car with no seatbelt. Not only did he control it, he was able to make groundbreaking music with it. Truly amazing when you think about it.

Without a doubt

 

[NegativeEase]

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I know these are jokes but seriously, I’m not sure how many people could handle his live rig. Multiple cranked 100W Marshalls, a Fuzz Face, then the Vibe and Wah. At reasonable volumes that can cause squealing for a mortal, doing it with his live rig is like a vintage sports car with no seatbelt. Not only did he control it, he was able to make groundbreaking music with it. Truly amazing when you think about it.

Totally Agree.

I've stood in front of giant Hendrix style rigs at a giant venue through the main. PA and played a couple of times (mostly sound check lol) -and I quickly realized there's another big discipline going on when controlling errant strings and feedback at that level.

 

[Mincer]

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I think worrying about true bypass, or cable capacitance might be an issue with miles of cable, or 14 pedals in a row. Most guitarists don't do anything like that, though. It seems like a weird made-up-by-guitar magazines-and-youtube-channels problem that doesn't impact most players.

 

[NegativeEase]

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I think worrying about true bypass, or cable capacitance might be an issue with miles of cable, or 14 pedals in a row. Most guitarists don't do anything like that, though. It seems like a weird made-up-by-guitar magazines-and-youtube-channels problem that doesn't impact most players.

I would agree, and if giant cable distance was a huge thing -just move to a balanced system from pedal board to AMP and drop back down to guitar level at the pre if it's a vintage amp -or small pre on pedal board and run balanced to power amp input with balanced input. I built several of those systems for guitarists in the 90s from Tom Wright's designs (i worked for him -I just did what he instructed -can't really take credit ) -The Black Crowes was one of the bands that used to use them because of the giant stages they were playing on -they wanted more than 100 ft so they could run from pedals out the front of stage and AROUND the stage back to the amps from side stage or back of stage so the cable path was the least intrusive. I just gooogled around to try and show my version, to no avail -gotta dig deeper I guess

 

[Larioso]

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I think worrying about true bypass, or cable capacitance might be an issue with miles of cable, or 14 pedals in a row. Most guitarists don't do anything like that, though. It seems like a weird made-up-by-guitar magazines-and-youtube-channels problem that doesn't impact most players.

I don't agree at all - it affects every player - but they start thinking about changing pickups instead of looking at cables and floorboard config.
All the talk here with which pickup on which guitar - I want more bite etc.

First time I switched to GeorgeL cable, was like going from 59' model to Jazz, which I actually did once but other way.

Other probably raise treble a bit on amp instead.

Further I did not see this on YT at all or any magazine.

So have first pedal buffered after guitar, the rest true bypass - then cable capacitance is of no concern since output impedance is much lower. Same capacitance in cable - but crossover frequency way up above audible on the created LP filter - compared to high impedance from pickups directly.

 

[NegativeEase]

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I don't agree at all - it affects every player - but they start thinking about changing pickups instead of looking at cables and floorboard config.
All the talk here with which pickup on which guitar - I want more bite etc.

First time I switched to GeorgeL cable, was like going from 59' model to Jazz, which I actually did once but other way.

Other probably raise treble a bit on amp instead.

Further I did not see this on YT at all or any magazine.

So have first pedal buffered after guitar, the rest true bypass - then cable capacitance is of no concern since output impedance is much lower. Same capacitance in cable - but crossover frequency way up above audible on the created LP filter - compared to high impedance from pickups directly.

I think Mincer's point is not that these things don't exist at all -it's that they have been escalated in modern times as a major issue when traditionally it was just par for the course of being a gigging guitar player -nobody worried about a little noise or slight high end roll off that doesnt make a difference to the uneducated listening audience

 

[GuitarStv]

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Or buffers and a Metalzone!

I'd have loved to hear Jimi with a Floyd. Would have been cool to hear that trem work without it always going out of tune.

 

[Larioso]

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I think Mincer's point is not that these things don't exist at all -it's that they have been escalated in modern times as a major issue when traditionally it was just par for the course of being a gigging guitar player -nobody worried about a little noise or slight high end roll off that doesnt make a difference to the uneducated listening audience

Mincers point was that this is in somebody's head and not a real problem - I beg to differ.

I think why this is of more concern today is that everybody can record at home - and every little bit counts when recording.
High end studios pay rediculous $1000's extra to get that tiny bit nicer sound for a single track.
But when summed up with 50 tracks just that little bit better - makes a huge difference to end result.

When you do record
- crap, is this how it sounds?
- this in not like records I listen to
- it need more of...
- it need less of...

This was not as available to everybody back in the day. I remember my first Fostex portastudio when it came - I felt now I have a studio.
Then I upgraded this and that, and computers and whatnot - and still had to do some sound-on-sound recording degrading result.
So I looked at reel-to-reel 16 channel Fostex - but could not afford that and sort of closed the project for good.

Anybody have a computer and do this with no effort today - what is missing is the skill how to arrange and mix to professional level.
ITB sound good - but as soon as you record something like guitar or vocals these skills matter. What gear in every little bit matter.
Anybody playing an instrument today probably do some recording stuff too and become more aware, at least try some.
It's really good to do that overall - you really hear what you play and not what is in your head while playing - which fools us - this was good.

Just a thought....