Ebay payment with paypal

[martinsixstringcustoms]

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I buy and sell alot online and personally, I think there is nothing wrong with a seller asking for a surcharge to accept a certain form of payment, such as PayPal. It's ultimately up to the buyer to decide if he wants to accept the terms of the sale. Its no different from going into a local store and getting a better price if you pay cash instead of a credit card. eBay & PayPal have gotten downright greedy with their fee's (I know first hand!).

One important note though - The seller should always disclose the terms UPFRONT! If they try and pull a fast one after the sale, I'd stay clear.....Just my $.02

 

[75lespaul]

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I buy and sell alot online and personally, I think there is nothing wrong with a seller asking for a surcharge to accept a certain form of payment, such as PayPal. It's ultimately up to the buyer to decide if he wants to accept the terms of the sale. Its no different from going into a local store and getting a better price if you pay cash instead of a credit card. eBay & PayPal have gotten downright greedy with their fee's (I know first hand!).

One important note though - The seller should always disclose the terms UPFRONT! If they try and pull a fast one after the sale, I'd stay clear.....Just my $.02

While I agree with you, I also know that without ebay a lot of us either wouldn't have a lot of the stuff we have or we'd be stuck selling things the old way--place an ad, get tons of calls, wait for hours for someone to show who never shows etc...

If that's their rules, I'll follow them.

 

[H8Red442]

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If that's their rules, I'll follow them.

Absolutely agree. But I can think it's a stupid rule.

 

[Xeromus]

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Everyone that accepts credit cards gets a fee. At one time American Express was charging merchants 10%. (Why do you think American Express isn't accepted everywhere?)

How would you like it if you went to a store and you got charged more for using your credit card? It's the same thing and don't tell me it's not.

It's to cover the cost of the transaction. If you can't cover the small fee they want, then don't offer paypal as an option, DEFINATELY don't ask the customer to cover that fee. If I ever see that on any auction I will never buy anything from that person no matter how much I need it or how good the price is.

 

[H8Red442]

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When a merchant chooses to accept a credit card they do so on the grounds that the volume they're dealing in will eventually make little if any difference. There are terms and agreements all over the place with eBay and PayPal and that's fine as a customer I have the choice not to do business with them. The problem for me comes in that normally in any given year I may sell a guitar maybe two. For the $1500 I may be able to get for each ebay/paypal bangs me over the head for both for as much as 10%. While it is the cost of doing business it is also the choice of the customer not to shop there. There are plenty of small businesses around and around the country that do not accept credit cards at all. There is a great record store near me that for the longest time didn't accept credit cards, once they did every disc in the store went up $2. So yes retailers do jack the prices to cover their costs...

 

[Xeromus]

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When a merchant chooses to accept a credit card they do so on the grounds that the volume they're dealing in will eventually make little if any difference. There are terms and agreements all over the place with eBay and PayPal and that's fine as a customer I have the choice not to do business with them. The problem for me comes in that normally in any given year I may sell a guitar maybe two. For the $1500 I may be able to get for each ebay/paypal bangs me over the head for both for as much as 10%. While it is the cost of doing business it is also the choice of the customer not to shop there. There are plenty of small businesses around and around the country that do not accept credit cards at all. There is a great record store near me that for the longest time didn't accept credit cards, once they did every disc in the store went up $2. So yes retailers do jack the prices to cover their costs...

I understand that point. I'm a power seller on ebay and over the past 60 days I grossed over 4 grand. They hit me hard with fees.

 

[H8Red442]

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I guess my point is this. I will raise the price on a guitar or any item based on the fees of both ebay and paypal now. Paypal is DEFINITELY the way to go for payment and receipt of payment. At the same time it can get very costly. Merchants do charge more for merchandise, why is a CD at FYI $20? In turn as PayPal gets bigger and bigger and little guys like us use it our prices will rise to cover those expenses.

If its against the rules its agianst the rules thats fine but I see why people do it and want to do it myself sometimes. I can honestly say that if I wanted an item that had that as stipulation i would think twice but it most likely wouldnt keep me from buying it.

 

[fenderiarhs]

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I am orientating myself towards giving that seller neutral feedback when the guitar arrives..................Things are pretty simple to me......there are some rules by ebay......you either follow them or not...............

 

[Docrock]

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OK...this is MY opinion just as everyone else has theirs

Charging someone paypal fees is bull****

There are so many people who whine and cry about ebay/paypal fees...go sell your item another way. I bet you dont have as much success. I make my living on ebay...I know what it costs. I also dont try to sell a bunch of crap...you must make wise choices on what to sell, how to list it, when to bid it out and when to use buy it now. I have never cried about fees...I get to shop every day for gear, own a tone of cool interesting stuff, make a decent living and dont have to go into work everyday. What is there to cry about?

I think the majority of whiners would whine about something else anyway...ebay doesnt owe you ****. They provide a super easy and painless service that allows you to get the most money from your item that youll get ANYWHERE....and you think it should be free?

I just sold a guitar

600 dollar sale price......41.50 total fees (paypal and ebay)
That just over 6.9% far below the mythical 10+ percent that everyone cries about.
I sold it yesterday and payment was sent directly...it will be in my bank account in 2 days...I dont have to wait for a money order, mail delays, fraud whatever. To me thats all worth the costs involved.

As for ebays fees, it takes me 10-15 minutes to get a item up and running (with pics) I get worlwide exposure and a simple interface for listing/communicating and finalizing transactions...again worth every penny.

There are tools to make your auctions better and more profitable...most choose to ignore these...then whine about I didnt get **** for the item.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

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^^^ I agree completely.

 

[Xeromus]

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Right on Docrock. Ebay is cheaper than listing in a newspaper and everyone in the world can see it. I hate when sellers complain about these fees. I like paypal and ebay and I don't mind paying the fees they ask because if ebay and paypal didn't exist I wouldn't make all the extra money I do and it wouldn't be so easy.

 

[Docrock]

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Thanks...It is EASY aint it?

LMAO :laugh2:

 

[H8Red442]

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600 dollar sale price......41.50 total fees (paypal and ebay)That just over 6.9% far below the mythical 10+ percent that everyone cries about.

There was a special on eBay a few weeks ago on CNBC called "The eBay effect". During the show it was stated that eBay's fees can reach as much as 7% (7.5%?) for their auctions. You take that fees along with the fee they get for Paypal, 2.8%-3.8%, and that comes to just about 11% worst case scenario. Now mind you, I fully realize that I do not have to use eBay or Paypal and I do not ask my customers to pay those fees. However, if I did and someone wants to pay that, what's wrong with it? Anyone and everyone that accepts credit cards has to pay that fee and if Best Buy or Guitar Center or Mobil starting lumping that fee on top of the sale price I most likely wouldn't use them again. However if I did that is my choice. As an aside, some gas stations will charge you more for credit as opposed to cash. It's all in what the customer will pay as with anything else. As long as it is upfront and part of the final price I think it's cool, even thought it's against eBay rules and they will shut you down if you do. It's a scum bag move to pull once the auction is over.

 

[Docrock]

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Of course its a "news" program...so its the truth.
Dude, Im not trying to single you or anyone out personaly...
Ive been ebaying for a long time and I never pay 10 percent..Im sure the "store" ebayers pay more in fees but thats not everyone.
I just find that alot of people say dumb **** in their ads
they are usually rude..I mean you are basically asking someone for their business, yet alot of sellers treat it as though they are doing buyers a favor.
How many listings have you seen where people basically scream at you
NO DEADBEAT BIDDERS
NO PAYPAL OR YOUR PAYING THE FEES!
NO ZERO BIDDERS!
There is a tactful way to get your point across and if you want to charge the fees, fine BUT..you better have a desirable item at a very attractive buy it now price....and I guarantee if you let it get bid out...youll lose more than the paypal fees in lost bids where a couple or even one guy says **** YOU, your a ****....and doesnt bid. Same with ridiculous shipping...people think they will jack the shipping, then wonder why their item didnt bring as much as they wanted...If I see a out of line shipping/handling charge I WILL not bid...that means you will lose money, because I would have otherwise.
ANyone noticed that guitars have gotten to 42-45 bucks for shipping? What a crock!
I remember everyone charged 25..then 35...now 45 and some without a case!
Im sorry, but I think if your a b!tcher..youll find something to b!tch about.

 

[martinsixstringcustoms]

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Don't get me wrong, Ebay and PayPal are a good thing, however, just like any other business, when the fee's (i.e the sellers costs) go up, so does the price of what the buyer will have to pay. About 6 months ago, eBay raised the fee's considerably and did so on the notion that sellers would get more services/exposure for the money. It turned out to be complete BS. The fee's went up, but nothing of substance was really gained.

If I can go into a store and pay 3% less if I pay cash rather than use a credit card, damn straight I will do it. It saves the seller money and saves me money. I've got no problem with that. H8Red442, I'm with you. Its totally wrong to pull a jack move after the auction. Thats just bad business. Fact of the matter is that eBay/PayPal (Same company) monopolize the online auction market. The are really no other major players in the game and knowing this, I think they take advantage of this too much at the sellers expense.

I think the problem we are seeing with shipping (at least in some cases) is the fact that PayPal is basically forcing the sellers to use a higher priced shipping method if the seller wants any chance of seller protection. As a personal example, I used to charge around $10.00 US to ship a pickup overseas. I had a package sent with (2) pups to France that never arrived (got lost in the mail). I specifically stated in my auction that AirMail Letter Post would not provide tracking or loss protection. When it was all said and done, I was out $160.00 because I have no seller protection without a tracking # and PayPal did a chargeback to my account. That is total BS and I don't care who says what. I could prove it was mailed to France w/ the date, but I couldn't prove "delivery confirmation". I now and forced to ship everything Global Express which costs around $25-30 on average. Who suffers? The buyers do. EVERYTHING eventually trickles down to the buyer...

 

[Docrock]

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I agree with that chewbaca...
I used to do most of my sales overseas...because they are willing to pay more. And air mail parcel was great, but I, too, have had to switch to global express...which has pretty much killed my foreign market. I havent got stung yet, but I really dont want to chance it.
Nothing last forever...we should just enjoy it while its here and move on when its not...we can never control ebay, paypal or even our government no matter how much we bitch...but bitching will only hurt us. peace

 

[martinsixstringcustoms]

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I agree with that chewbaca...
I used to do most of my sales overseas...because they are willing to pay more. And air mail parcel was great, but I, too, have had to switch to global express...which has pretty much killed my foreign market. I havent got stung yet, but I really dont want to chance it.
Nothing last forever...we should just enjoy it while its here and move on when its not...we can never control ebay, paypal or even our government no matter how much we bitch...but bitching will only hurt us. peace

Good point man....

 

[shredaholic]

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i can see why they charge fees for credit card transactions, but what about direct transactions that cost them nothing? i can see the point that its just a way of the company making money, but paypal is an ebay company, and ebay make a huge amount of profit before any paypal fees.

my main complaint is their shady business practices - the way they go about charging for fees. ive been paying fees on a paypal business account since september, and have paid hundreds of £s in fees to them.
consequently, i thought what about trying to set up a normal account to only receive normal transactions. so i set up this account, and paypal dont mention at all to the buyers of my auctions that i have a normal account (dont accept credit cards). they let the credit card buyers actually go through with the whole payment, so the money is withdrawn, it sits in limbo in my account, and paypal say you have to refuse the transaction or upgrade your account and pay fees on every transaction. thats just totally unfair, as its giving me a load of work to email the buyers explaining why their payment was refused, which takes ages as i have to reply to lots of emails asking this, and i would have to do this every single day unless i upgraded.

by doing this paypal are abusing their size and control over the market, to be honest paypal and ebay are not much different from microsoft windows and microsoft internet explorer - that case they had with compatability with other manufacturers, and abusing their position

 

[Quencho092]

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is it legal in ebay to PM somebody your reserve price so they can nab the auction if you're desperate? My JBL is currently at 177 and i need to sell it for at least (undisclosed!), so would it be safe to PM the current highest bidder and tell them my reserve?

 

[shredaholic]

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I believe thats ok, ive seen people advertise the reserve price on auctions before, and ive emailed people what it was and theyve told me, and never seen anywhere on ebay something that stipulated otherwise