EIGHT STRING GUITARISTS..?

EIGHT STRING GUITARISTS..?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • No

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Other Suggestions (please post)

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • Total voters
    10
Re: EIGHT STRING GUITARISTS..?

I'd argue Gibson tried a lot of clever things and got the execution wrong. A lot of pioneering/innovative stuff is easier to market to the low end (I'm thinking Epiphone/imports first.)
 
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Gibson need to do what the people want. There are many brands with better value for money than Gibson and a refusal to do anything else than 6 strings will ultimately get them closed down.

Consumers will just go elsewhere and forget the Gibson name which, given the current build quality, is all you pay for.

The reason other brands are successful is that they adapt their range to suit the market and Gibson haven't done that.

Furthermore, it's actually cheaper to get a bespoke model made than to buy a Gibson off the shelf.

Your own poll shows you that Gibson diving headfirst into the extended range market won't save them. They just need to up their quality across the board and maybe introduce a line of sub $1k models that are built well.
 
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Your own poll shows you that Gibson diving headfirst into the extended range market won't save them. They just need to up their quality across the board and maybe introduce a line of sub $1k models that are built well.

I would think that a quality Gibson offering in the 1500-2K range would be acceptable.
I bought my Standard LP in 2012 for about 2400. It’s a killer guitar. I don’t retreat it one bit. But now a Standard is 3K and up. A good quality Standard at 2K will sell a ton.
 
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I would think that a quality Gibson offering in the 1500-2K range would be acceptable.
I bought my Standard LP in 2012 for about 2400. It’s a killer guitar. I don’t retreat it one bit. But now a Standard is 3K and up. A good quality Standard at 2K will sell a ton.

I agree. Lower prices and higher quality will save Gibson. Adding strings to SG's won't.
 
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Gibson need to do what the people want. There are many brands with better value for money than Gibson and a refusal to do anything else than 6 strings will ultimately get them closed down.

Consumers will just go elsewhere and forget the Gibson name which, given the current build quality, is all you pay for.

The reason other brands are successful is that they adapt their range to suit the market and Gibson haven't done that.

Furthermore, it's actually cheaper to get a bespoke model made than to buy a Gibson off the shelf.

The problem with Gibson making eight string models is that I doubt anything who thinks about getting thinks about Gibson as a lot of people view gibson as a rock and metal guitars but there’s so many companies that build awesome eight strings
Esp, LTD, Schecter, ibanez, Strandberg, Ormsby, strictly 7 and occasionally Jackson
Eight string still isn’t popular enough for the big companies like fender and Gibson to adopt it as it doesn’t fit with their brand image,
PRS have made eight string that are cool but they’ll never be a large portion of they’re income so making them on a large scale isn’t financially viable.
You can’t get economies of scale in vastly niche markets (players who want an eight that is also a Gibson) so even if Gibson made a eight string the price would likely be ridiculously high so that would scare off the potential consumer however they use could epiphone to test designs for example.
Gibson to me should stick to their core model and target market and focus on price and quality rather than trying to please everyone.
This is reason subsidiary companies exist for example you wouldn’t see fender make a Flying V with a Floyd and emg pickups but from Jackson (which fender own) it’s more accepted due to history of that name.
If Gibson jumped on the seven string band wagon back in the 90s that perhaps the Gibson name would have a different meaning in the extended range community but as of now no
The core fender brand doesn’t adapt to change and they’re doing well because they have all these subsidiary companies and brands on which they can appeal to a wider audience.
Gibson in my opinion should focus on the quality, price and presentation of their core lineup of 6 string including SGs, LPs, Explorers, Vs and RDs and then once they’ve refined those to a high quality for an acceptable price they could start new subsidiary’s or buy brands with whom they could start manufacturing seven, eight, nine, multiscale etc instruments without upsetting their core audience.
Also on the idea of brand image, my dad is 59 and the only guitar company he’s ever heard of is Gibson so that’s a perspective from a non guitarist who isn’t even interested in guitars.
Gibson is such a powerful and recognisable name not just in the guitar players community but in the rock community in general and the best Gibson can do at this point is reclaim that status to be as ubiquitous and iconic for quality and sound as they used to be, they need to aim to be the gold standard of rock guitars again. However people don’t buy them anymore because their QC sucks and they’re far too expensive for what they are hence why you have bigger bands like Priest, Trivium and In flames using Epiphones on stage because epiphone have developed a good price to quality ratio.
Also think of the artists that have left Gibson, the main ones that come to my head are bill kelliher of Mastodon and James Hetfield of Metallica both of which went to ESP.
So it’s simply doesn’t seem like eight strings would be worth Gibson’s time, for example the first eight I’ll buy is the Ibanez FTM33 but that’s just my taste in that case.
 
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I have no idea, but I guess only the names are similar.

I think the ergonomic shape and the fact that it is headless comes from Steinberger & Klein. Strandbergs feel way different and have their own thing going on.
 
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If Gibson made an eight-string guitar, they would be in good company with the other manufacturers whose eights I’m not buying.

Now a seven, or a baritone, we could do some business on. A Flying V, an Explorer, or a Les Paul, just really basic on the cosmetics, would be just about right. Satin or low-gloss black, maybe with wood grain that telegraphs through like on my Thiels.
 
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Gibson need to do what the people want. There are many brands with better value for money than Gibson and a refusal to do anything else than 6 strings will ultimately get them closed down.

You sir, are talking like a guitarist. And an 8 string one at that. You need to learn a little more about business - and Gibson is not a good example.

#1 If every guitar company EXCEPT one - one that made the most awesome line of 8 strings in th world, at low medium, high, and custom price points, with Point-of-Sale SD/Dimarzio/EMG pickup swaps via quick connects - shut down...that company would not gain enough revenue to move up one spot in the global rankings for sales. The ACTUAL 7/8/more string market is not nearly what you think it is.

#2 Every company targets a market segment. And each focusses on specific subgroups in those segments. I have spoke on this often - while Gibson says they are about innovation, by any business standard, they have not been about innovation since 1958. They have ridden the past 60 years on "we invented it". Seriously ask yourself who Gibson's TARGET market is? It is players of classic rock and jazz, who can afford a premium instrument at a premium price based the Iconic Status of their product. They are Lexus. What they have is a grossly over-priced Toyota. They could give a rat's @$$ about music. The backlash Gibson receives from putting a mere coil taps on a Les Paul far outweighs the value of it.

Consider those first two items alone - then tell me why they don't do that. Pretty obvious, now isn't it?

#3 Many modern appointments would look as silly on those iconic shapes as vintage would on a modern guitar. Ever see a Bigsby on an 8 String Schecter? Then don't expect a Floyded fan-fretted Gibson V to make sense either. Those things are not chocolate and peanut butter, they are peanut butter and poop.

Now - Gibson COULD do this. The real question is HOW????? There are a lot of ways. The first is buy a company that does that - like Steinberger etc....and have them do the it and compete directly with the market. Another is to utilize their over seas brands to do that - like Epiphones - but keep then as the "Elitist" level instruments. O create a NEW line - something like the Gibson GT6 line - greater than 6 (and I don't mean experimental like the dumb $h!t they do on their classics). An example...Make an 8 String V. Make it slightly pointier, make it with the 8 string pup du jour from Duncan. Paint it right for the genre that wants it. (I'll assume some shade of deep black). And don't make a ton and put them at a "buy me" price like 1000-1500 dollars. The next year, try a 7 string explorer like the whatever models that had the narrow waist etc...

But remember - when you say Gibson (or Fender) you say music from before 2000. You say I want guys who will spend 2000 on an 800 dollar guitar. And that's ok. As long as as you know how many of those there are...and act accordingly.

Gibson could easily be a hugely profitable company doing nothing but modern technique manufacturing of Guitars made before 1960, and making modern updated versions of them

Les Paul w/ coil taps, Seymour Duncans, belly/neck access cuts, upgraded locking tuners, at a price point of 1500. They would clean up.
 
Re: EIGHT STRING GUITARISTS..?

You sir, are talking like a guitarist. And an 8 string one at that. You need to learn a little more about business - and Gibson is not a good example.

#1 If every guitar company EXCEPT one - one that made the most awesome line of 8 strings in th world, at low medium, high, and custom price points, with Point-of-Sale SD/Dimarzio/EMG pickup swaps via quick connects - shut down...that company would not gain enough revenue to move up one spot in the global rankings for sales. The ACTUAL 7/8/more string market is not nearly what you think it is.

#2 Every company targets a market segment. And each focusses on specific subgroups in those segments. I have spoke on this often - while Gibson says they are about innovation, by any business standard, they have not been about innovation since 1958. They have ridden the past 60 years on "we invented it". Seriously ask yourself who Gibson's TARGET market is? It is players of classic rock and jazz, who can afford a premium instrument at a premium price based the Iconic Status of their product. They are Lexus. What they have is a grossly over-priced Toyota. They could give a rat's @$$ about music. The backlash Gibson receives from putting a mere coil taps on a Les Paul far outweighs the value of it.

Consider those first two items alone - then tell me why they don't do that. Pretty obvious, now isn't it?

#3 Many modern appointments would look as silly on those iconic shapes as vintage would on a modern guitar. Ever see a Bigsby on an 8 String Schecter? Then don't expect a Floyded fan-fretted Gibson V to make sense either. Those things are not chocolate and peanut butter, they are peanut butter and poop.

Now - Gibson COULD do this. The real question is HOW????? There are a lot of ways. The first is buy a company that does that - like Steinberger etc....and have them do the it and compete directly with the market. Another is to utilize their over seas brands to do that - like Epiphones - but keep then as the "Elitist" level instruments. O create a NEW line - something like the Gibson GT6 line - greater than 6 (and I don't mean experimental like the dumb $h!t they do on their classics). An example...Make an 8 String V. Make it slightly pointier, make it with the 8 string pup du jour from Duncan. Paint it right for the genre that wants it. (I'll assume some shade of deep black). And don't make a ton and put them at a "buy me" price like 1000-1500 dollars. The next year, try a 7 string explorer like the whatever models that had the narrow waist etc...

But remember - when you say Gibson (or Fender) you say music from before 2000. You say I want guys who will spend 2000 on an 800 dollar guitar. And that's ok. As long as as you know how many of those there are...and act accordingly.

Gibson could easily be a hugely profitable company doing nothing but modern technique manufacturing of Guitars made before 1960, and making modern updated versions of them

Les Paul w/ coil taps, Seymour Duncans, belly/neck access cuts, upgraded locking tuners, at a price point of 1500. They would clean up.

Couldn’t say it better myself
 
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8 string guitarists only buy $200 Agiles or random boutique builders nobody has heard of. Next thread
 
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8 string guitarists only buy $200 Agiles or random boutique builders nobody has heard of. Next thread

You know, I have noticed that, too. They either go for ultra cheap imports or these crazy exotic $4k+ custom racecar guitars. It is strange that you don't see that with any other segment.
 
EIGHT STRING GUITARISTS..?

Probably just the eight string market is still very small so the mass production isn’t too viable
So it’s split into people who just wants to tip their toe in that water or those who don’t want to buy guitars of the former category
 
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You know, I have noticed that, too. They either go for ultra cheap imports or these crazy exotic $4k+ custom racecar guitars. It is strange that you don't see that with any other segment.

It makes a lot of sense. You are either...

A) That unsure of yourself - thus minimal investment to fail at going 8 or
B) That good, so go big or go home
 
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Gibson Guitars are, to put it mildly, in a bit of trouble.

For a few years, suggestions have been made for them to branch into extended range guitars. I was one of them.

If, we may suggest, Gibson were to make even one 8 string guitar line say a Les Paul 8 or Flying V 8 with either a JB/Jazz or Blackouts pickups (or whoever they may choose), how many of you would buy one or be interested. It may be a basic £500 - £600 model ($625 - $750), a choice of colour and standard spec.

Any other models you'd like to see from Gibson, put them below and if enough people speak up, we'll see about getting the vote to them.

I wouldn't buy a 8 string from Gibson. Maybe an Explorer 7, but no 8 or 9 string guitars.

That said, a Gibson "Modern" line with thinner neck profiles, minimalist and modernized aesthetics, modern pickups (Fishman Fluence, your choice of Duncans, etc) longer scale and maybe trems, and if that line would include a baritone... I'd buy one of those for sure.

I know, it already exists and is called the ESP Eclipse.
 
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Gibson is guilty of diluting its brand name and image. They purposefully chose to turn the Gibson name into a prestige brand while flooding the market with mid to low-cost copies under the Epiphone name. Nobody stuck a gun to their heads and forced them to sell LP shaped, bolt on, plywood guitars for $100 at Walmart.
 
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Q: If Gibson makes a $100 plywood LP-shaped guitar, and they sell it through Walmart, does Walmart still suck?
 
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