El-34 combo

Ringlund

Ringlund

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I am looking for a new amp here are my criterias

EL-34
Not more than 50 watts
Looking for some sort of marshall tone, not the "snarly" type tone but the clear british voiced gritty distortion.
Have enough gain for metal (I dont want really, really much but enough to get by)
Preferably not just one channel
Here is the worst: absolutly max 1000 euros (about 1500 dollars)

Also can someone compare EL-34 with EL-84 for me, differences? Similarities?

Also I have been looking at some engls (screamer, thunder), but they are 6L6. Will I get a tone similar what I described if I change the valves to EL-34, if it is doable?
 
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In your area, pretty soon, the new Line 6/Bogner tubes amps will hit the stores. I'm a tube amp purist, but also like the versatility of modeling....especially for 'do it all' amps you use for practicing at home. Luckily, this Line 6 with a tube power section designed by Bogner sounds really good. Use the search function to find my review of it.

For $700 US, the Line 6 Spider Valve 1-12 combo should be exactly what you're looking for.
For an amp that can do pop to metal, it's about as good as it gets for that price range.
For highgain, you won't just be "getting by," you'll be getting one hell of a flamethrower.
Plus, you can store hundreds of presets with FX, have an onboard tuner, and be able to emulate glassy clean Fender tones, Marshall midgain tones, and Bogner highgain.

It's a cool amp that will spoil you, and make you very happy with everything it does.
And don't worry about volume, or having an EL-34 tone. It's 2 6L6's crank out the volume, enough to use with a loud drummer.
 
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I will try it out, but I am still a bit suspicious... I have a vox modeller, it can be fun to have some really different sounds but most of the time I really miss just to have an normal amp, simple effective nice sounding one that is.

Keep em comming
 
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theodie said:
Look at the Traynor blue 50.
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+1.

With a Celestion Vintage 30 and 50 watts from good stock EL34s (EH), its got loud, aggressive, gritty rhythm tone down pat. And that's before you engage the boost.

The bonus is that it has some great clean tone on the other channel. Not Fender or Vox, but a kind of fat, sweet clean that breaks up nicely if you ask it to.

I like mine, and keep it around even though it's WAY too loud for my needs. And it's only about half your budget. Replace the raspy Sovtek preamp tubes with your choice and you've got a great amp.
 
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Maybe the new Marshall JVM combo, since those amps are readily available in Sweden.

I'm hesitant to name off too many amps, just because I don't know how accessible or affordable they are where you live.

If I was going to buy an EL-34 combo, it's scrape together the money for a Bogner Shiva EL-34 Reverb 1-12. Everytime I've played one, I've been blown away by it's clean and gain channels.
 
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genz benz el diablo 60 watt will do what you want, and is switchable between 60 and 30 watts
 
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laney tt50. i had a traynor blue. it's a great amp and all, but not as sweet as a marshall. the closest i've gotten in another amp is the tt50. it's a real nice and verstatile amp. honestly though, i would have preferred a 50 watt jvm. unfortunately, they only have 100 watt jvm powerhouses now so i'll still gladly settle for the tt50.

very british, clean is very clean, and the two gain channels are awesome. the el diablo doesn't sound british even with the el34 tubes. it's very smooth and doesn't seem to have that british grit. if you want something more like that, check out the black pearl. you can get them very cheap on ebay brand new these days
 
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You might get some good deals on Marshall DSL/TSL amps now the VM/JVM amps are out. They're all EL34 except for the DSL 401 that I believe is EL84 driven.
 
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stevie_bees said:
I meant the TSL/DSL amps were EL34. :D I'm gassing for the VM really bad...
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have you tried the combo? i don't know what it is, but something about the way the combo sounds seems a bit different from the 50 watt head. i don't know exactly how to describe it, but it's a subtle difference that you can tell is there though.

i wouldn't mind having one of those combos.
 
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I haven't had the chance out here in Gib, and I'm not going to be able to make it to Music Live in the UK to try one unfortunately. I'm desperate to have a blast through the 2266 combo.
 
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I have an orange rocker 30 that fits that description. I love that f'in amp. The rockers have more gain on tap than most oranges and definitely have a beefy sounding english distortion. I dunno what they sell for over there (probly less) but here they're about $1400 brand new at most places.
 
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Thank you for all your input, it is appreciated!
Just so you know I will manage with a 30 watter.

Questions:
I was under the expression that the TSL/DSL had that "snarly" tone that really isnt my cup of tea, not clear enough. Correct me if I am wrong.

I couldnt find someone who sells Traynor near me, however Sweden had a dealer so it might work out anyway.

As for the laney and orange does they, on high gain, stay tight on palm mutes; can you play megadeth like rhythm without the "farting" out? (It is aimed at the Marshall, if it doesnt snarl, and Traynor too)
 
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Ringlund said:
Thank you for all your input, it is appreciated!
Just so you know I will manage with a 30 watter.

Questions:
I was under the expression that the TSL/DSL had that "snarly" tone that really isnt my cup of tea, not clear enough. Correct me if I am wrong.

I couldnt find someone who sells Traynor near me, however Sweden had a dealer so it might work out anyway.

As for the laney and orange does they, on high gain, stay tight on palm mutes; can you play megadeth like rhythm without the "farting" out? (It is aimed at the Marshall, if it doesnt snarl, and Traynor too)
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in my opinion, traynor is good for the money but not as good as marshall. the tsl is a great sounding amp and seems to perform very well except two things: the footswitch is a piece of crap and the third channel is noisy. the cleans are good and the orange channel sounds great, and for the price you can get them at now, it's probably going to be better than the ycv50 blue.

laney amps are tight enough, and they better cleans than marshall from my experience. the jvm cleans are very good, but my laney has slightly better cleans. i think laney is the way to go.

i played the rocker 30 once and it was kick-ass, but i didn't get to spend enough time with it to give out any kind of advice.

laney might be your choice man
 
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barbarianbrute said:
laney might be your choice man
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I guess the diablo 60 sounds different tot he 100 since i can get mine to sound very 'Marshall' as well as very 'Mesa'.

Look into one of the older Laney AOR Pro Tube 50 (or 30) heads and combos. They go for ~$500 max. If you want somthing newer, the vc30 is great the GH series and VH series is all 6L6 but sound great nonetheless.
 
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Ringlund said:
As for the laney and orange does they, on high gain, stay tight on palm mutes; can you play megadeth like rhythm without the "farting" out? (It is aimed at the Marshall, if it doesnt snarl, and Traynor too)
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The orange can do it nicely, it just kinda depends on the guitar/pups you're using. With my epi when I'm using the bridge pup (jb) it does kinda fart out on real low stuff, but I think that's more related to the jb not having the best low end. On my agile that's tuned in drop c and emg equipped, it's super thick and chunky, I'd defy anyone to listen to the tone I get with that combo and say it's farty or thin. The oranges are very marshall-esque, but I think their darker and thicker sounding. They're supposed to be more low mid oriented where marshalls are more upper mid oriented.
 
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mediumpimpin said:
The orange can do it nicely, it just kinda depends on the guitar/pups you're using. With my epi when I'm using the bridge pup (jb) it does kinda fart out on real low stuff, but I think that's more related to the jb not having the best low end. On my agile that's tuned in drop c and emg equipped, it's super thick and chunky, I'd defy anyone to listen to the tone I get with that combo and say it's farty or thin. The oranges are very marshall-esque, but I think their darker and thicker sounding. They're supposed to be more low mid oriented where marshalls are more upper mid oriented.
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Ok. Still it has a channel less the the laney and marshall and no reverb, which doesnt matter too much if it has really good tone. And since I dont know yet if I will be able to try it out some clips would be helpful.. ;)

I want to keep this amp I am planning on buying a while, so I am sorry if Im picky (alot of money for me to). Just want to get it right...
 
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