Electric Irish Bouzouki

[Peter Crossley]

And your view from Australia speaks for the entire planet? Don't think so. Suggest you reframe your statements.

Sorry man obviously I have touched some nerve
if my statement is incorrect then I recind it
however timber is becoming a finite resource
here in Australia we have had the worst bushfires in history, wiping out native forest the size of France
and as most of the country is desert, that hurts
the greed of man is also destroying places as diverse as Borneo and the Amazon basin
so it's a bit dire
plantation timbers and monoculture are replacing the diverse forest

so yeah, I'm sorry you are offended by this

 

[Chris Pile]

It has nothing to do with my feelings - I deal in facts, and there is NO worldwide shortage of timbers. You do realize that trees are still growing, right? Especially on farms? You know about Bob Taylor's work in Africa and Southeast Asia in planting new ebony trees? You realize that many makers are exploring non-traditional timbers - especially timbers domestically available in their own area? It's not a shortage - it's merely a shift in choices on what timber is used and where it is grown.

My main complaint is your phrase "stocks of all timber". If you'd just say SOME, I would have left you alone. But you didn't - you engaged in hysterical language. Yes, koa is getting more rare. It only grows in Hawaii. But many makers are now choosing woods such as laurel, sen, sapele, meranti, and others because they are inexpensive compared to traditional woods like rosewood, cocobolo, etc.. In America catalpa is enjoying a sudden surge in use, because ash is in decline thank to emerald ash borer infestations. Martin has even explored using oak. It's harder to work with, but cheaper to buy.

Don't buy into the scare tactics about woods. Educate yourself, and realize this is a worldwide market - not just Australian. Change is the norm, and there are no shortages. The sky is not falling, the world is not ending.

Rant over.

 

[Securb]

 

[Peter Crossley]

Got a bit of colour and nitro on it, the weather has not been very conducive for spraying, rain, with extra added rain, and a sprinkle of rain on top..

 

[Peter Crossley]

Also got this one in the works.. not a zouk..just your average guitar...

 

[JamesPaul]

I've had enough of the rain too. May 9 rain actually broke the highest daily rainfall record, which has stood since 1909. But the rain wasn't preventing me from doing anything as cool as your bouzouki! It is turning out great!

I wouldn't score that blue guitar as average either. It's real close to the Gibson Cobalt Burst which is my dream color!

 

[Ashurbanipal]

Gecko burst bouzouki, love it; can't wait to hear the heavy version of Zorba through the Rev.

'Average guitar' looks all right too .

 

[GuitarDoc]

Also got this one in the works.. not a zouk..just your average guitar...

Well, Peter, nothing you make is just "average".

 

[Nsatke81]

The book matching and finish on the blue one is astounding. Right on!


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[GuitarDoc]

That is just a bald-faced lie. ALL STOCKS? Gimme a freakin break!

Maybe instead of attacking Peter, you should have just asked him what he means by "harder to source" so you could have responded with some inkling of intelligence. Do you realize that he could have meant harder to obtain because of a shortage OR because it is priced out of practical obtainability. Even common readily available timber like pine has increased in cost in the US by 300%. In Australia, it is even a worse scenario.

 

[GuitarDoc]

And your view from Australia speaks for the entire planet? Don't think so. Suggest you reframe your statements.

OMG, Peter never claimed a world view. In fact he specifically said AUSTRALIA. Sometimes it seams that it is too much effort for you to try to understand what someone has said.

 

[GuitarDoc]

It has nothing to do with my feelings - I deal in facts,

Well, actually, no. You deal in your perception of facts, which ends up equating to just your feelings.

You realize that many makers are exploring non-traditional timbers - especially timbers domestically available in their own area? It's not a shortage - it's merely a shift in choices on what timber is used and where it is grown..

And why is there "a shift in choices"? Could it be that the traditional choices are becoming more rare? (Like, as you admit, koa and ash, but also some rosewood and mahogany.

Change is the norm, and there are no shortages. The sky is not falling, the world is not ending.

Rant over.

Why is there "change"? Is it just a whim? Guitar makers have all just decided to try different types of wood for the heck of it? Or maybe it's because the traditional woods are becoming harder to get because of short supply, higher cost, or government regulations? In any case, they would then be harder to source. Correct?

I know I risk getting a citation from Jeremy or Dave or whoever for talking negatively to you, but if anyone needs a citation for being rude to another forum member it is YOU. Especially when NONE of your comments were founded on facts or a desire to educate...you only attacked Peter. There was nothing positive about your comments to Peter. Nothing aimed at education. In fact, there was nothing even factual, just your emotional rant. There was no need at all for your negative remarks. You should have just kept quiet and preserved at least some dignity.

 

[Chris Pile]

^^^ Wrong yet again, pal. ^^^
On nearly all counts.

 

[GuitarDoc]

^^^ Wrong yet again, pal. ^^^
On nearly all counts.

Yes, indeed, you ARE.

You haven't attempted to answer any of my questions. Is that because they are rhetorical? We all know the answers, even you do, but you are afraid or unable to admit it perhaps because of your know-it-all, better-than-thou condition (narcissism).

 

[Chris Pile]

Digging your own hole, pal. You don't understand because you don't WANT to understand.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Digging your own hole, pal. You don't understand because you don't WANT to understand.

That's your answer?!

You don't answer my questions because you CAN'T. You have no answer that could save face. You at least understand that it would be digging your own hole, any way you answer. If you make up some rationalization you would make a fool of yourself. If you answer truthfully/factually you would effectively be admitting you were wrong, again making a fool of yourself.

At this point your best course of action would be to admit that you were wrong in jumping to conclusions and attacking Peter for your own misconceptions (you have already effectively admitted that Peter was at least partially correct and you were wrong). Just come out and say it...like a man. There is nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, but sidestepping, or making up ridiculous excuses/rationalizations, or making accusations against me, or refusing to answer is only childish at best (and I won't even suggest what it is at worst) and it certainly doesn't preserve any dignity.

 

[GuitarDoc]

^^^ Wrong yet again, pal. ^^^
On nearly all counts.

"Nearly all counts"?! You're doing what you attacked Peter for doing.

Care to list each one with an explanation of why you think it was wrong? Was it that koa or ash or traditional rosewood was limited or very expensive? That all wood in the US has increased in price dramatically...(even C/D grade plywood has increased from about $8 per sheet to $45 per sheet!)? That Peter was only referring to availabilities in Australia, not the world? That guitar makers are moving away from some traditional woods because they are not available or not economically feasible to use anymore?

Please let me know where I was wrong and if you are indeed correct I will apologize and correct myself.

 

[Chris Pile]

Done with you, troll.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Done with you, troll.

Because you can't answer ANY of my questions. You can't justify anything you have said because you know you are just plain wrong. By not answering you are effectively admitting that. Don't tell me that you don't want to waste your time or be bothered by the effort to reply because you sure weren't very conservative with words when you were attacking Peter.

Troll? Yes, you have all of the qualities of a troll. Make fallacious comments with no attempt to backup your statements, attack others, then bail out when the heat is on and you're backed into a corner requiring some justification to your rash comments.

I can back up all of my statements (I have already listed some facts supporting my statements, you have listed NONE). Here's another one...I can remember years ago when you could buy enough Honduran mahogany to build an acoustic guitar for a couple hundred dollars. And now... I see on StewMac some for $6000 on sale for $5400 for the same wood!!!! Seems to me that that would be a bit harder to source...it's way out of my budget for sure.

I wonder why it is so expensive. Hey Goober, you got any ideas about that? Could you buy that and make an acoustic and be able to sell it for a profit? Maybe that would also be hard for you to source.

You want some more examples? If so, I can list LOTS.
What about Madagascar Rosewood? Used to be relatively cheap ($10-20 for a fretboard) and easy to get. Now it's $70-80. Want more?
Hey, now it's your turn to support your claims!

 

[GuitarDoc]

Yeah, I'm done with Goober.

I read a valuable statement many years ago. Can't remember who said it. "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience".