engl Vs mesa Vs marshall

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I like the ENGLs for the harder stuff never having owned one. I think they are priced right and have the correct Marshall-y tone.

I think the Dual Rec triple channel would be a Producers pic for these sounds, and my last choice would be the Marshall TSL, of which I am not a huge fan.
 
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If you like Turbonegro and other rock like that then a rectifier is an awful choice as they suck at medium gain kkkllaaaaaannng. You know...the big open chord glory! Another choice could be a Soldano Avenger as well. I would go with an amp that has high gain but is coming from a Marshall direction so you can dial in rock as well as metal. I played the new Rivera Knuckleheads and they're all big rumble and fizz, no definition or spank. Both them and Mesa come from a Fender direction and has Fender ever had a good high gain amp? I rest my case.
Also it's not as fancy but the Peavey 5150 is a great and inexpensive high gain amp. Handles down tuning well and was also used by Turbonegro as their backline a few tours ago. It can do the rock.

The Zakk OD pedal from MXR is a Boss Super overdrive with a better tailored low end response so to have both would probably be redundant. I just got the Dimebag crybaby and love it but the Tremonti wah is the best one I heard from Morley and also pretty good.

To ask opinions on picks is just plain gay :omg: . Unless you live in the mountains amongst goats go buy a bunch and have at it. I don't think picks bought sight unseen will break the bank!:headbang:

Remember, high price, jack of all trades amps tend to be Masters of none. It may be more rewarding and less expensive to buy individual cheaper/established amps that excell at one particular sound and then use a switcher. eg. JCM800 for rock and 5150 for metal. Or the Zakk OD into a JCM800 gives you a whole range of sounds right there. That way if you tire of one tone you're not selling an entire rig to change it.
I owned both a VHT Ultralead and a Bogner Ecstacy and still found myself going back to one channel Marshall's and supplementing with pedals because for me one glorious sound was worth more than three good ones.

Good Luck....unfortunately there's lot's of good choices but hardly any chances to hear them. Sound clips on the internet are a horrible way to shop for an amplifier.
 
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do u mean the 6505 or 6505 plus? and whats the tere current rig? i almost swear i saw them uses marshalls in one of there videos.

i alwasy thought the 6505 was purley metal/ death metal.

here are some of my ideas.

marshall jcm 900 4100.
solando avenger
marshall dsl 100
6505 or 6505 plus
maybe if i wait a little longer bogner uberschall


i don't need a great clen but a clean. not a fender clean but at least a clean the equals to my marshall mg.
 
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geobarzac said:
do u mean the 6505 or 6505 plus? and whats the tere current rig? i almost swear i saw them uses marshalls in one of there videos.QUOTE]

If you're refering to Turbonegro they used 5150's (rhythm guitarist) on the second to last tour I saw. They sounded awesome and abviously with that band not like Death metal at all. You can't go by what you saw in a video. Even endorsements may only mean they used it on a track of one song but the other 9 were done with amps a through d. I would stick with a channel switching amp which the Avenger is not.
The 4100 isn't bad but for good metal tones you may need a pedal in the front and maybe an EQ or sonic maximizer in the loop to enlargen the sound.
The DSL100 is also OK for live but the clean channel has a lot more low end than the heavier lead channel and as they share EQ this makes balancing your sounds difficult. Also it doesn't have instant channel switching anyway.

Even though my sig is anti-Dual Rec I must admit I'm very curious to hear the Stiletto stage II. The stage I sounded great for rock but was lacking for metal. Supposedly this was addressed in the stage II. If they did it right it'll be my next amp.
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I can throw a monkey in the wrench works here, look around for a used Trace Elliot Speedtwin head, I have a 100W one and it rocks. It's definitely more Marshall than Mesa and has a great clean channel. The gain channel is footswitchable between medium and high gain, it doesn't have separate controls, but just switching between them can take between JCM800 and Soldano/Bogner-ish gain. The good news is that they are kinda like Hamer guitars, you can pick them up used pretty reasonably, around $500 - $700, give or take $100, not bad for a $2000 head. They have been discontinued for a while, so don't bother looking for a new one.
 
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:reporter: The Stilleto Ace I played (stage 2 type amp) didnt have as much gain as a recto but the gain it does have-and there still is alot-is all usable and doesnt fuzz out the amp. It also had plenty of compression for the whole chuga-chuga thing.
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skoora-http://youtube.com/watch?v=OGvogv4uLyI&search=turbonegro that might be were i saw the marshalls
 
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The rhythm guitar player (Black LP Custom) is playing through an old Peavey and the lead guitar player has a 5150 behind him on a stack of Marshall cabs. It may be a Marshall that the third guitarist/keyboard player is using but I couldn't tell.

There's other video's of them on youtube that show Marshalls. On their last tour that I saw last year they used mainly Marshalls.
 
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SFW said:
Doug Aldrich demoing the Powerball

http://www.lordriffenstein.com/Extra/Doug1.MPG

http://www.lordriffenstein.com/Extra/Doug2.MPG
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2nd clip, 10 second mark, NICE! Doug is like Zakk but so much tastier. He is awesome on both the DIO and Whitesnake live DVD's he's on. I'm jealous of guys with long fingers. Trying to move my stubby **** around the fretboard with any dexterity is troublesome at times. It's like.....like I would need to practice or somethin':dunno:

It's funny that all the work that goes into multiple channel heads like the Powerball is for nothing, because 10 times out of 10 when you hear or see them demo'd, it's with the same setting of shred tone everytime. You never hear the medium gain, classic rock sound, or the bluesy clean w/grit.
It's like all the people who own dual rectifiers and use one channel on one setting only. I've never seen a band live where the player really utilized the spectrum of sounds on their 3-4 channel amp. Never.
 
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