Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Audhumla

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First of.. I’m new to the forums when it comes to posting. But you guys helped me a lot in the last years in a couple of things, so … yeah. Thanks a lot. ;) For this particular problem, I tried to find something fitting, but every search so far came up empty, because it kinda didn’t fit my problem.

So.. Here it goes.

I did it: I managed to make the SH 5 sound bad. I’ve got an Epiphone Zakk Wylde Les Paul (Mahagony, maybe a cap of some sorts, bought it 2007). Switched from stock passive EMGs to SH1n and SH5b and tried for a very long time to get some good tones out of it. I really do love the SH1n. Warm, fat - and it can sing. It’s the perfect fit for the Les Paul, because I really want it to sound like the guitar feels. Fat, heavy, dark (but not muddy).

But then there’s the SH5b. Whatever I’m trying, it seems to be lacking mids and base end. It’s shrill, thin and when you add OD/DS, searing. So instead of a fat, low growl, I get the complete opposite. A thrashy buzz saw.

I’m using a modified Blackstar HT1 and a Yamaha THR10X. Both of those amps make it really easy for me to find a decent tone for the neck pup in my LP. Also, my other guitar, an Ibanez Swamp Ash RG721 with SH2n/SH6b sounds awesome through both amps. Just the SH5 seems to lack everything except very strong highs.

So what am I looking for? I don’t want to „just put a JB in and be done with it“. Instead, I’m thinking about adding one of the newer additions to the Seymour Duncan Catalog to my collection. Just to add a little variety to the sound, I wanted to go for Alnico magnets (just to have something different to the tight SH6 ceramic bar of my Ibanez). Two pups seem to be very interesting. The 6string Pegasus and the Jason Becker Perpetual Burn pup. Both are Alnico, and at least from the descriptions both seem to have „more balls“. Or maybe some pup that I completely overlooked so far?

It would be nice to have some kind of usable clean tone, but I tend to use the neck pup (or my Ibanez) for cleans. So I’m not looking for the pup that can do „any style ever“. Instead, I want something, that can go from decent Blues Rock tones to Metal. The Metal sound I tend to like is an Opeth..ish fat, saturated distortion. So it’s more of a moderate, maybe even „warm“, full metal tone, not an all out christ f*sting searing blackened death grind shriek of doom. Styles I like are, for the most part, as stated above, Rock and Prog Rock/Metal.

Sorry for the long read and thank you for your help. ;)
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Have you considered swapping the magnet in the SH-5? Makes a bigger difference than you might expect and the modification is inexpensive. Plus, the "Custom" wind is one of the best you can do it to.

An Alnico 8 (A8) would keep the output, but change the character, including smoothing out the top end and giving it more of that "growl" you want.

EDIT: I just realized I'm listening to Opeth as I write this :)
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Have you considered swapping the magnet in the SH-5? Makes a bigger difference than you might expect and the modification is inexpensive. Plus, the "Custom" wind is one of the best you can do it to.

An Alnico 8 (A8) would keep the output, but change the character, including smoothing out the top end and giving it more of that "growl" you want.


My recommendation too. C8's are very popular here.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

250k pots for the bridge vol and tone?
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

I can't believe the Custom lacks low end and mids. I've never heard it described as thin... Have you checked the wiring? Maybe it's wired in parallel on accident or something.

If it's not that, I vote for the A8 mag swap as well.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

I can't believe the Custom lacks low end and mids. I've never heard it described as thin... Have you checked the wiring? Maybe it's wired in parallel on accident or something.

Was going to say this as well. That's odd as the SH5 really "thumps" with the bass and has nice even mids. Definitely check your wiring.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

I had a full shred that had the same thing going on. After calling tech support and giving them the ohm readings and wire colors, it was determined that the 4 conductor lead was installed wrong. When it was wired up per the instructions for regular humbucking it was out of phase and sounded like a wah pedal with the toe down.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Before I even finished your post, I thought exactly like Nacho8807...

I can't believe the Custom lacks low end and mids. I've never heard it described as thin... Have you checked the wiring? Maybe it's wired in parallel on accident or something.

If it's not that, I vote for the A8 mag swap as well.


The Custom has very strong and solid bass and mids, but I agree that the highs can sound very shrill. It's that ceramic magnet. Just replace it with an A8 and make sure you don't have it wired in parallel or split. The Custom 8 is a real favorite, and for good reason. And it goes very well with a '59n.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Thanks for all the suggestions! The wiring seems to be perfectly all right but I will double check it. To be honest I never thought about a magnet swap. This might be the best solution. I will definetely try it.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Definitely recheck the wiring. If you think the '59 is warm and fat sounding, but the Custom is thin and shrill, there is most certainly something wrong!!
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

I was thinking maybe he meant that he had a Custom 5…..

But yeah; The CUSTOM has a big fat bottom, very tight and thumping, with decent (but not over bearing kids). The highs are screamers for sure - but not thin….

Check the Wires.

Then…if that doesn't work for a buck swap the mag to an A8.

And FINALLY….maybe you need and Invader. Can't speak to the newer offerings.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

It's like an echo: check the wiring. And consider mag swaps. It's quick, cheap and easy.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

If you decide to swap magnets, I second the A8, or go with the double thick ceramic if you can find one. I saw another post where someone said that the Big Custom is a beast in his Les Paul.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

I know it will sound strange,but unsolder the pickup completely and check for continuity among all 4 colored cables with the silver one.Also try to change the order of the coils going in series,i.e. if you had the slug coil going into the screw coil,do it the opposite way.I once found solution to the same problem that way.Also never disregard the volume and tone pots,try hooking it straight to the output just to be sure.The custom sh5 doesn't sound as you described,something is wrong with either the connections or the pickup itself.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

So..! A short update with a new problem.

When changing the pups back then, I had the LP wired by a "pro". Or so he claimed to be. Now a good friend of mine who loves to tinker on guitars took a good look and truly found some iffy wiring in there. He redid it and .. yeah, I kinda found the low end of the SH5. ;) It sounds very nice, I was surprised how much more ballsy the LP can be. So thanks for this tip and the persistence/echoing. ;)

BUT.. and there's always a "but". I'm so sorry, guys...

At that point I already ordered an Alnico 8. Just because the tone description of it was more or less the perfect thing. And it was very inexpensive, too. So I read about how to change a magnet without killing the pickup, changed the magnet without killing the pup and WOW! It sounds even better. I love it. I truly am just done with searching for anything new. The SH5 + A8 is just born to be in this guitar.

Now for the problem:

I was very, very careful throughout the procedure. So when I flip the 3way switch to NECK, I get my lovely SH1. Perfect. When I switch to BRIDGE, I get my new favourite toy. SH5A8 in all its glory. Yeah... but the middle position. There is nearly no tone. When I dial back the Bridge Volume Poti to 6 or 7ish, I get more or less just the Neck Pup. As I said: I was very careful. The magnet I put in faces the right way (as in the right side goes to the pup and the right side faces the baseplate - or do you have to look our for more than that? I get perfect tone from all 6 strings). I did not rip on the wires and now that I opened up the back plate I cannot find any lose wiring. Any ideas?

As I said.. sorry. ;) Should have listened and just have the damn thing rewired but the new magnet is definitely worth every penny. And the pure panic I'm suffering right now. ;>
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

CAn we get a pic of the control cavity wires?
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Apparently, I'm an idiot.

It's working now. I had the magnet facing the right way, but had to change the sides (left <-> right). Now I've got everything as it was. Just more awesome. Thanks again for all the help and your patience.
 
Re: Epi LP + SH5 fail - need suggestions for another Bridge pup

Ah. Now could you tell us what the wiring problem was?
 
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