Epiphone Deluxe Kluson-style tuners any good?

NegativeEase said:
A 13:1 Sperzell is a better and more accurate tuner than an18:1 or 20:1 Kluson, Gotoh, or Ping every day of the week because that is their emphasis.
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I am definitely a Sperzell fanboy I have them on a lot of guitars especially my custom builds. However, my Klusons on my SG and 2 Les Pauls work great. Every time I think about changing them with locking tuners I ask myself, why? Still might do it if I can find a set for the right money. I have been looking at these Gotohs for a while, they have been sitting in my Amazon wishlist for a year.

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Well, got the guitar. So far, they're fine. I wish they were locking, but the top lock variety. Don't really want the added weight (or look) of the lock in the back.
 
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Securb said:
I am definitely a Sperzell fanboy I have them on a lot of guitars especially my custom builds. However, my Klusons on my SG and 2 Les Pauls work great. Every time I think about changing them with locking tuners I ask myself, why? Still might do it if I can find a set for the right money. I have been looking at these Gotohs for a while, they have been sitting in my Amazon wishlist for a year.

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I have guitars with Ping copies of Sperzels which are good (The pings from which Reverend guitars f*cked Sperzel over) -and Gotohs that are very good -no doubt in either companies abilities.

In fact Kluson is the only tuning I would say I objectively "dont like" generally speaking

But I am %100 confident that Sperzel, Schaller, and Grover make the most high quality tuners for my money -ESPECIALLY Sperzell.

The problem is Sperzel, being USA made, can't compete with the knock offs of everything they invented -The boys still run the company from Pops BTW -and they still answer the phone at last check
 
My Music Man has the top locking variety. They work as well as the back locking ones, so either is good for me.
 
Aceman said:
Wishing is one way to get them. Of course, ordering from Amazon is also an option.

As for the weight, hit the gym.
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Yeah, I'm not complaining about the weight because of that, LOL. I mean, after all, these is a Les Paul. It's just that Klusons are a thing not because they function great. Maybe, because they look cool, but I think the main thing is they're light, and they make the guitar sound and feel a certain way.
 
The one aspect those old-style Klusons have over most is they're very light, so if you have a guitar that suffers from neck-dive, they work well.
 
LLL said:
The one aspect those old-style Klusons have over most is they're very light, so if you have a guitar that suffers from neck-dive, they work well.
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THey also make the guitar sound a certain way because they're so light. Allegedly.
 
Rex_Rocker said:
Yeah, I'm not complaining about the weight because of that, LOL. I mean, after all, these is a Les Paul. It's just that Klusons are a thing not because they function great. Maybe, because they look cool, but I think the main thing is they're light, and they make the guitar sound and feel a certain way.
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Do they though? Do they really?
 
beaubrummels said:
About as much as the tailpiece contributes to the sustain and tone.
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Yeah, thats actually a good analogy -the mass and density of the tuners creating leverage and tension across the nut is similar to the tailpiece providing the same for the bridge.

Both are part of completing the resonant loop of the guitar -so the certainly have some influence.

To Ace's point, can you hear it in any significance? - or is it more emotional attachment, recency bias, dopamine from the purchase, or expectations that are more informing your opinion

-we all have this challenge to actual know if there is a difference that is perceptible or is it just us.
 
Exactly my point. Considering good wood + bad hardware, bad wood + good Hardware, and double good or double bad, + normal or mega hot pickups....and don't even get started on clean vs dirty amp.

I suspect that is MAY in some instances be noticeable, but mostly not. Whereas, unstable tuning can be very very noticeable. I play with enough gain usually and hot enough pups that honestly plastic tuners to lead wouldn't make a difference.
 
I definitely can hear a difference between an aluminum TOM tailpiece and the usual pot metal TOM tailpiece.

Just as I can hear a difference between Callaham stamped steel Strat 6 hole saddles vs. those awful sintered Am Std "blocks".

These lightweight tuners? Probably a small difference. But I've never tone tested them.
 
I never thought Klusons looked good, and for some reason I hate the way that plastic feels on my fingers, too.
 
Aceman said:
Exactly my point. Considering good wood + bad hardware, bad wood + good Hardware, and double good or double bad, + normal or mega hot pickups....and don't even get started on clean vs dirty amp.

I suspect that is MAY in some instances be noticeable, but mostly not. Whereas, unstable tuning can be very very noticeable. I play with enough gain usually and hot enough pups that honestly plastic tuners to lead wouldn't make a difference.
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I think in a maple guitar with maple neck and fretboard playing very clean into single coils is where you might have a chance to notice tuner changes if at all -like a spanky clean Tele or Strat.

On a humbucking setup, or darker guitar or overdriven tones -I'm not sure you would at all.
 
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