Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

[tman]

I recently bought a Epi Les paul trad pro and I love this guitar!!! It has a really nice action and the stock pickups are great!! Even though I am getting a JB in the bridge tomorrow and a pearly gates or a 59 in the neck. What is everyone elses opinion on this guitar?? I believe mine is a 2013 made in wine red and cream

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

I would not get a 59 for the neck. Sometimes they sound a bit boomy in Les Pauls.

Pearly Gates works, otherwise one of the best pickups to go with a JB is a Jazz for the neck. Don't let the name scare you, the Jazz can do it all from jazz and funk all the way to hard rock and metal. It is a very articulate and versatile neck humbucker.

 

[SJ318]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

+1 what SnakeAces said.
sjb

 

[Detroitblues]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

I recently bought a Epi Les paul trad pro and I love this guitar!!! It has a really nice action and the stock pickups are great!! Even though I am getting a JB in the bridge tomorrow and a pearly gates or a 59 in the neck. What is everyone elses opinion on this guitar?? I believe mine is a 2013 made in wine red and cream

I believe you'll regret the pickup swap because those Pro-Buckers are excellent pickups. Not to say the Pearly Gates and 59 aren't great pickups. I'm just saying Epiphones newest stuff is really good.

 

[Wattage]

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I love mine, got it a few weeks ago. I don't know that the pickups are great but they're so much better than the old Epi's I am leaving them in for now. So far the only mods have been pulling the pickguard and swapping the poker chip. FWIW I've never had an issue with a '59 in the neck of any guitar, LP's included.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?284199-NGD-Epi-LP-Traditional-Pro

 

[blueman335]

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I believe you'll regret the pickup swap because those Pro-Buckers are excellent pickups. Not to say the Pearly Gates and 59 aren't great pickups. I'm just saying Epiphones newest stuff is really good.

+1. JB's can do squirrely things in mahogany, especially LP's. They may sound great, they may sound annoying. In mahogany they sometimes get an 'ice pick spike' high-end and a flabby bass. They certainly won't sound like they would in a Strat. They are not 'go to' PU's for LP's.

'59N's are well-known for being boomy in LP's, no shortage of posts about that around here. They aren't always boomy, but it happens often enough.

OP: What kind of music are you playing? A JB/'59N pair is great for '80's metal in a Strat.

 

[Got_tone?]

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A pearly gates is my default neck pickup for a les paul type guitar. It has a tasteful bite and chew to it, good string clarity/definition with or without dirt, and it's versatile.

IMHO, I think what people define as "boomy" with the '59n is the wrong cap value in the neck. .022 for me in the neck with a humbucker will almost always equal a muddy neck. Lowering the value to .015 is a cheaper alternative.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

You know - instead of taking a bunch of hear-say advice from people that are just parroting internet mythology so much idiots and novice pup upgraders believe it, how about answer a WAY more important question:

How does the neck of the guitar sound acoustically right now? That will tell you more about the 59 than anything. I personally have never had any trout;le with 59's. I agree it COULD happen. But I would never ASSUME it would occur, especially without knowing/hearing the guitar first. I personally prefer the PG, but again, that is my taste.

And are you going to play in a band or a bedroom? The JB is for real stage players, not bedroom shredders. As much as I am NOT a fan of the JB on it's own, the most and best tone compliments I ever got were using a Stock JB in a Les Paul type guitar. It isn't Duncans #1 seller for nothing. My co-guitarist uses one in a Les Paul, Sounds fantastic.

 

[Aceman]

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. FWIW I've never had an issue with a '59 in the neck of any guitar, LP's included.

My brutha!

 

[Snake Aces]

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You know - instead of taking a bunch of hear-say advice from people that are just parroting internet mythology so much idiots and novice pup upgraders believe it...

Wow, just wow.

Then, of course, he continues to offer his .02 cents of internet mythology. Nice double standard there.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

You know - instead of taking a bunch of hear-say advice from people that are just parroting internet mythology so much idiots and novice pup upgraders believe it, how about answer a WAY more important question:

How does the neck of the guitar sound acoustically right now? That will tell you more about the 59 than anything. I personally have never had any trout;le with 59's. I agree it COULD happen. But I would never ASSUME it would occur, especially without knowing/hearing the guitar first. I personally prefer the PG, but again, that is my taste.

And are you going to play in a band or a bedroom? The JB is for real stage players, not bedroom shredders. As much as I am NOT a fan of the JB on it's own, the most and best tone compliments I ever got were using a Stock JB in a Les Paul type guitar. It isn't Duncans #1 seller for nothing. My co-guitarist uses one in a Les Paul, Sounds fantastic.

I agree with the above, but would suggest maybe a PG-n with a 59 bridge as a possible alternative. I listened to an associate's Les Paul with a 59 bridge for years and thought it sounded great. He did back the tone off a bit.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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IMHO, I think what people define as "boomy" with the '59n is the wrong cap value in the neck. .022 for me in the neck with a humbucker will almost always equal a muddy neck. Lowering the value to .015 is a cheaper alternative.

Are you kidding me?!!

You're not being serious, are you.

This is actually a joke, right?!

Either that, or a total lack of experience and responsibility.

Lowering the cap value from a .022 uf to a .015 uf will slightly affect the amount of upper high end roll off when the tone pot is rotated. It will have absolutely NO affect upon the bass (where the "boominess" comes from).

 

[blueman335]

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Wow, just wow.

Then, of course, he continues to offer his .02 cents of internet mythology. Nice double standard there.

Aceman's not without biases of his own. And he's playing different genres than many of us are, so the advice goes just so far. If you're playing what Aceman is playing, his advice is usually pretty good. If you're doing something different, maybe not. Have we established what genres the OP plays? It may not be'80's metal. What if he plays the kind of music I do (god forbid)? As a blues/classic rock player, I can't imagine using a JB/PGN pair with the stock magnets in either of them. I'm not advising guys on what PU's to use for metal.

 

[blueman335]

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Are you kidding me?!!

You're not being serious, are you.

This is actually a joke, right?!

Either that, or a total lack of experience and responsibility.

Lowering the cap value from a .022 uf to a .015 uf will slightly affect the amount of upper high end roll off when the tone pot is rotated. It will have absolutely NO affect upon the bass (where the "boominess" comes from).

+1. With the tone pot on 10, caps have no discernible impact. And how many guys roll down the tone pots on their neck PU's, especially HB's?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

Are you kidding me?!!

You're not being serious, are you.

This is actually a joke, right?!

Either that, or a total lack of experience and responsibility.

Lowering the cap value from a .022 uf to a .015 uf will slightly affect the amount of upper high end roll off when the tone pot is rotated. It will have absolutely NO affect upon the bass (where the "boominess" comes from).

Doc is right again, as usual.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

Aceman's not without biases of his own. And he's playing different genres than many of us are, so the advice goes just so far. If you're playing what Aceman is playing, his advice is usually pretty good. If you're doing something different, maybe not. Have we established what genres the OP plays? It may not be'80's metal. What if he plays the kind of music I do (god forbid)? As a blues/classic rock player, I can't imagine using a JB/PGN pair with the stock magnets in either of them. I'm not advising guys on what PU's to use for metal.

I'm smellin' what you're steppin' in.

 

[tman]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

ok cool thanks will look at jazz or pearly for neck

 

[Aceman]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

Hey - If I had a nickel for every time Rick threw down with stupid comments about 59's in Les Paul necks, or A2 magnets (which 2 years ago he hated and now loves, etc…), Most of the people whop think differently don't bother to even comment. Lack of objection does NOT mean everyone agrees.

And from what anyone can tell, Rick has little ability to discern anyone but his own fairly narrow view on tone. Examples:

1. A2 mags in the neck suck (Meanwhile clearly most people hear love the PG)
2. 59's in the neck are USUALLY Boomy (Yet he is mostly the only person who says that
3. Middle pups are useless (Yet can't figure out that most do it for the aesthetic)
4. He thinks you have to be able to switch to the neck pup without touching the tone knobs - yet tons of people never use the neck, use EQ's, or are just fine.

I can go on all day. And as far as Rick's interest in the OP's music - he only asked that AFTER I started asking questions about the toine of the guitar itself. Rick simply immediately let the OP know what sucked without any basis.

And as we all know, know has actually heard Rick play, and from what we do know, he plays a fairly narrow genre of Blues/Classic rock.

So what is your point?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Epiphone Les Paul tradional pro

Hey - If I had a nickel for every time Rick threw down with stupid comments about 59's in Les Paul necks, or A2 magnets (which 2 years ago he hated and now loves, etc…), Most of the people whop think differently don't bother to even comment. Lack of objection does NOT mean everyone agrees.

And from what anyone can tell, Rick has little ability to discern anyone but his own fairly narrow view on tone. Examples:

1. A2 mags in the neck suck (Meanwhile clearly most people hear love the PG)
2. 59's in the neck are USUALLY Boomy (Yet he is mostly the only person who says that
3. Middle pups are useless (Yet can't figure out that most do it for the aesthetic)
4. He thinks you have to be able to switch to the neck pup without touching the tone knobs - yet tons of people never use the neck, use EQ's, or are just fine.

I can go on all day. And as far as Rick's interest in the OP's music - he only asked that AFTER I started asking questions about the toine of the guitar itself. Rick simply immediately let the OP know what sucked without any basis.

And as we all know, know has actually heard Rick play, and from what we do know, he plays a fairly narrow genre of Blues/Classic rock.

So what is your point?

Understood.

1. I love a good A2 pickup in the neck. I have an Alnico II Pro in one of my chambered LP's. Great pup, great mag. I like PG's too but do not currently own any.
2. I don't say always or usually boomy with the 59/LP thing. I like to say sometimes. I find a stock 59 sounds better when you do not use a capacitor with it. The other option is to swap the mag. Then it is a great LP pickup.
3. I certainly do not find the middle pup useless, at all. I love my HSH and use the S quite a bit.
4. I used to rarely use the neck pup until I actually learned how to use it (and that includes pairing it with the right cap).

So, Aceman, I guess you and I are on the same page on these 4 points.

 

[blueman335]

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I can go on all day.

I've been avidly promoting Seth's and A2P's for 5 or 6 years now. I keep having to point this out to you. Once you get something in that head of yours, it seems like it's there for good. The reason I wasn't impressed with A2 PU's before, was that I had only had '57's and PG's, which I still don't like. It's far more than just me saying '59's can be boomy, but I guess we see and remember what we want to.

I hope you're not basing the members love of PG's on that ridiculous poll of yours, and the fascinating 'What Did We Learn' follow up thread which the moderators closed because you pissed off two of them with your arrogance (they pointed out your poll was worthless). That was a gem. Those threads set a standard for professionalism here that few can hope to attain.

Clips? Let's see, would I want to listen to clips of your playing, or get a root canal? That's a toss up. I'll have to get back to you on that.